Email from Key Toyota Engineer regarding FT86

[bofa]

They use similar but different technologies.

Dynojet tends to overstate HP in my experience. Still useful to trying to measure gains though, and paper bragging rights I suppose.

Mustang dyno is thought more accurately portray real load and actual street performance.

Either way, this car will be more about lap times than who has the biggest hood boner. You can tune this thing to 500whp but if you can't whip it around the track like you stole it, then you probably bought the wrong car for your money.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Out of curiosity, why get picky over the type of dyno?

Dynojet reads normal, has been known by shops to manipulate figures, it calculates power based on the known mass of the drums, inertia based.

Mustang dyno puts down a lower true whp reading, it's a load absorption dyno versus inertia, simulates actual road conditions much better than a inertia Dynojet

Dynapack connects to the hub of the car and read the highest of the 3 and doesn't show the actual to the tire rwhp. BUT personally for all peak tuning purposes I would use the dynapack because it gets rid of the wheel/tire factor involved and it's the closest thing to an actual engine dyno to get it precisely tuned.

Anyways dynos should only be used for tuning purposes and not really a HP factor but if all cars are dyno'd on same day, same dyno location then that is useful to gauge a good amount of cars. You really can't compare a stock STi in NJ, CO and CA and expect to have the same #'s on a forum when they are running on different dynos, dyno models, software, let alone temperature, elevation differences and multiple other factors.

Mustang dyno and 1/4mile slips are truth tellers.

[Random_Art]

gotcha. thanks for the info!

[TRDLiquidSilver]

Originally Posted by Dark

It's marketing buzz. Isn't it weird to test the car on a stuck freeway in SoCal? They just need to gain more attention after many year absent in making real affordable sport car.

it has nothing to do with that at all especially with toyota press imbargos.

there's more than one car. you happen to only see in it in germany and socal but there's a prototype testing in very cold weather where there are no spy photographers and in japan. the reason your seeing it in a socal freeway was for engine temp data gathering in severe stop and go driving. you will see more spy photos when we bring it to the desert.

all these spy photos your seeing is because these are no longer mules but close to pre-production to test for problems that we didn't see. all data recorded will be severly analyzed way before it goes into any production car.

also, to answer questions who is doing most of the testing, just look at what cars are around the test, even down to the plates they're using. i'm seeing the ring pictures just like you and those plates look very familiar. we don't have email or phone access to the testers there but they're doing the same thing were doing stateside but a lot more fun. the socal plates you saw like i said before are toyota motor distributor plates not subaru.

toyota is being very shy about how much work they're doing, which is a lot. they've built a great car that just need a few things which they have in my reports.

[TRDLiquidSilver]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Hahaha, that's Moto, creator/webmaster of club4ag! The same person the thread creator was quoting.

If that bit of info came from Moto then its no lie. He's basically the only person around the interwebs I would consider to actually have feasible contact with Toyota engineers on this project without actually working for Toyota or Subaru.

His bit of information is very good to hear!

"Nevertheless, he says, that he is trying his best to develop a car that we 'enthusiasts' will not be disappointed. And went as far as telling me that he shrugged off, pissed off, and told off, all of the marketing and sales people that pushed to have more things added to the car, or tried to include things unnecessary to the performance as his team saw fit for this car."

I liked that part the best, especially the bolded. F off bean counters, we're trying to make an AUTO-MO-BILE here, not a kitchen appliance!

actually the things that the car doesn't need (e.g. nav or leather, park assist etc...) is not being added by t.m.m. but t.m.s. which is a distributor not manufacturing. when a land cruiser goes to south africa they could care less about park assist. t.m.m. will ask the distributor what they want and build a vehicle specific for their region based on what the distributor thinks would sell.

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

it has nothing to do with that at all especially with toyota press imbargos.

there's more than one car. you happen to only see in it in germany and socal but there's a prototype testing in very cold weather where there are no spy photographers and in japan. the reason your seeing it in a socal freeway was for engine temp data gathering in severe stop and go driving. you will see more spy photos when we bring it to the desert.

all these spy photos your seeing is because these are no longer mules but close to pre-production to test for problems that we didn't see. all data recorded will be severly analyzed way before it goes into any production car.

also, to answer questions who is doing most of the testing, just look at what cars are around the test, even down to the plates they're using. i'm seeing the ring pictures just like you and those plates look very familiar. we don't have email or phone access to the testers there but they're doing the same thing were doing stateside but a lot more fun. the socal plates you saw like i said before are toyota motor distributor plates not subaru.

toyota is being very shy about how much work they're doing, which is a lot. they've built a great car that just need a few things which they have in my reports.

Why not? It's more fun when they do the test at the ring, but you guys have to do in a stuck traffic.
I only wish the final production car head/taillight will look different that the rounded ones now.
Aren't you guys testing hot version of the car like guys at the ring do? Or Scion really doesn't get one?

[bofa]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

actually the things that the car doesn't need (e.g. nav or leather, park assist etc...) is not being added by t.m.m. but t.m.s. which is a distributor not manufacturing. when a land cruiser goes to south africa they could care less about park assist. t.m.m. will ask the distributor what they want and build a vehicle specific for their region based on what the distributor thinks would sell.

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

Yeah was thinking the sun/moonroof was out... it wouldn't work with those lines anyway, unless it was a Maxima style sunroof. I'm glad the power windows/locks idea was shot down. But it would be cool if you could order a barebones model for the track junkies.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

actually the things that the car doesn't need (e.g. nav or leather, park assist etc...) is not being added by t.m.m. but t.m.s. which is a distributor not manufacturing. when a land cruiser goes to south africa they could care less about park assist. t.m.m. will ask the distributor what they want and build a vehicle specific for their region based on what the distributor thinks would sell.

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

Say what? No power window? I'm not going to want to roll the window in 21st century car. No power seat, moonroof/sunroof is ok. What about start/stop button? I hope they make it on the steering wheel like LFA. . Is it going to be driver friendly interior, which all control is closer to driver than front passenger? I hope they take the idea from the first concept interior.

[e11ys]

Hopefully they'll leave the sunroof/moonroof off. Nothing but extra weight, and I'm sure I'll already have enough trouble fitting.

<--6'5"

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by TRDLiquidSilver

actually the things that the car doesn't need (e.g. nav or leather, park assist etc...) is not being added by t.m.m. but t.m.s. which is a distributor not manufacturing. when a land cruiser goes to south africa they could care less about park assist. t.m.m. will ask the distributor what they want and build a vehicle specific for their region based on what the distributor thinks would sell.

don't place too much blame with manufacturing its the distributors that you need to get angry with. fyi: pwr seats and moonroofs won't make it into the fr-s. they were also tinkering not having any pwr win/lks at all and making everything manual but that was quickly shot down.

Confirms that, I was told the idea of base having no power options was brought up and was shot down almost immediately, does not go with the Scion line and doesn't agree with 2012. I wanted the no pwr option btw.

One question that was not asked/answered is, is if the PS is pulley or electric driven?

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Dark

Say what? No power window? I'm not going to want to roll the window in 21st century car. No power seat, moonroof/sunroof is ok. What about start/stop button? I hope they make it on the steering wheel like LFA. . Is it going to be driver friendly interior, which all control is closer to driver than front passenger? I hope they take the idea from the first concept interior.

I doubt anything in the first concept will be in the production version. Plus, no one really wants to be distracted with the fancy electronics anyways. Whose up for windows xp?

[Dark]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I doubt anything in the first concept will be in the production version. Plus, no one really wants to be distracted with the fancy electronics anyways. Whose up for windows xp?

I'm talking about the idea of interior layout, not technology in the car. I don't want Windows in the car either because it crashes a lot.

[1660]

Originally Posted by Laika

Do you (or anyone else) have a source for this information?

Sorry, my mistake. In the early discussions on the Subaru model, it was mentioned that they would have a longer wheelbase. I see on the February press release that they now have the same wheelbase.

[bofa]

Originally Posted by Dark

don't want Windows in the car either because it crashes a lot.

Haha so true. Although... a mac touchscreen interface sounds kinda nifty. We'll give the track junkies a light weight etch-a-sketch.