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CBR600RR · 09-14-2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jstans84

I agree completely.

Nice! That's a shadow right?

My cousin has one.

Last September he and I went on a 4200km bike trip from Ottawa Canada to the dragon in Tennessee and back. Truely epic!!!

Rawhyde · 09-14-2012, 01:03 AM

I don't think Honda has any interest in building a performance oriented car or even one that is "fun to drive". I have a 2007 Civic and it's good reliable transportation, but it's a soul crushing appliance. I was so disappointed in it that until I learned of the FR-S/BRZ, I'd decided I'd never consider another Japanese car. I'm sorry to offend any Honda fans, but I don't like mine at all. I knew from the onset that it wasn't a high performance car, but a Diesel Jetta is tons more fun to drive as a commuter...

jstans84 · 09-14-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR600RR

Nice! That's a shadow right?

My cousin has one.

Last September he and I went on a 4200km bike trip from Ottawa Canada to the dragon in Tennessee and back. Truely epic!!!

Yep, 2010 Honda Shadow Phantom. It is my first bike so I decided to go with a 750. Once I get it paid off I'm going to move up to the Honda Fury. It is Honda's beautiful 1300cc Chopper.

CBR600RR · 09-14-2012, 01:08 AM

@jstans84

Ya the fury is beautiful!!! With the financial ability to only own one bike at the moment I need to have a sport bike. But the fury is my second choice! I need some thing for longer hauls. An 8 day 4200km trip on my RR was rough on my body.

fistpoint · 09-14-2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kire

probably nothing. the miata had a monopoly back in the 90s and honda's response to it was the del sol.

Lol. God that thing was gay...but it had a great engine(the 160HP version), later used in the '99-'00 Si coupe.

DarkSunrise · 09-14-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by roddy

Toyota + Subaru? I wouldn't be upset if Honda felt the need to shack up with Nissan and spit out a 200SX.

Honda definitely has the expertise to develop a smooth, high compression NA inline 4 (DI + iVTEC). Could Nissan put together a simple lightweight RWD platform? Would be an interesting collaboration.

CBR600RR · 09-14-2012, 01:14 AM

@fistpoint

You mean the B16A used in the late 80's early 90's civic and CRX sir models?

jstans84 · 09-14-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CBR600RR

@jstans84

Ya the fury is beautiful!!! With the financial ability to only own one bike at the moment I need to have a sport bike. But the fury is my second choice! I need some thing for longer hauls. An 8 day 4200km trip on my RR was rough on my body.

Amen to that, long rides were honestly the only reason I got my Phantom over a CBR. I have to say though, the Phantom was fantastic on the Blue Ridge Parkway up in the NC/TN mountains. I was scraping my pegs on damn near every turn.

CBR600RR · 09-14-2012, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jstans84

Amen to that, long rides were honestly the only reason I got my Phantom over a CBR. I have to say though, the Phantom was fantastic on the Blue Ridge Parkway up in the NC/TN mountains. I was scraping my pegs on damn near every turn.

Lol just imagine scraping pegs and knee sliders on an CBR

I gotta say though; now you really have me wanting a fury - bad!!

quik1987 · 09-14-2012, 01:26 AM

I doubt they have anything in the pipeline coming out in the next 4 years

jmaryt · 09-14-2012, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BANGER

Yeah, but with a boring lineup, they might have a hard time attracting the next generation of consumers. And that'd be devastating.

Cars like the FR-S are meant to make new, loyal consumers and get them into showrooms. Sure some people got into Toyota because of their Prius but what does Honda even have when it comes to hybrids? lol.

i'm with you on this! a nice little sports car could catapult them back in to favor with the enthusiast,and "drive" business to the rest of the (hopefully revamped)
line! it would be a smart marketing ploy,because this is exactly what toyota is doing with the frs .looking for more "brand recognition" with scion,and possibly subaru too!

Kire · 09-14-2012, 07:53 AM

the market for small, light weight, relatively affordable, fun to drive coupes is not as large as we would like to believe. the FRS/BRZ needs 1 competitor at most. anything more, and the pie will be sliced too thinly amongst the competitors and eventually they will all abandon the market due to lack of profitability. $25K-$28K is not exactly cheap. even the miata does not sell anywhere as well today as it did the first 2 generations. the reason for it mainly has to do with the fact that the car has significantly gone up in price.

jellygorilla · 09-14-2012, 08:34 AM

Honda S3000. yes, THREE THOUSAND.

raul · 09-14-2012, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by roddy

Honda's latest styling isn't working, but something like an S2000 chassis under a smaller Altima coupe-ish body would get my attention.

The front of the Altima coupes look very GT-Rish. I definitely wouldn't mind something like that, but they have to do something about the back.

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09-14-2012, 01:03 AM	#30
Rawhyde Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: B4C Camaro, 2005 MINI JCW, Civic Location: NW Georgia Posts: 35 Thanks: 5 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't think Honda has any interest in building a performance oriented car or even one that is "fun to drive". I have a 2007 Civic and it's good reliable transportation, but it's a soul crushing appliance. I was so disappointed in it that until I learned of the FR-S/BRZ, I'd decided I'd never consider another Japanese car. I'm sorry to offend any Honda fans, but I don't like mine at all. I knew from the onset that it wasn't a high performance car, but a Diesel Jetta is tons more fun to drive as a commuter...

09-14-2012, 01:08 AM	#32
CBR600RR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Raven Black Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 451 Thanked 563 Times in 276 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@jstans84 Ya the fury is beautiful!!! With the financial ability to only own one bike at the moment I need to have a sport bike. But the fury is my second choice! I need some thing for longer hauls. An 8 day 4200km trip on my RR was rough on my body.

09-14-2012, 01:14 AM	#35
CBR600RR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Raven Black Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 451 Thanked 563 Times in 276 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@fistpoint You mean the B16A used in the late 80's early 90's civic and CRX sir models?

09-14-2012, 01:26 AM	#38
quik1987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Bugatti Veyron Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 141 Thanked 569 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I doubt they have anything in the pipeline coming out in the next 4 years

09-14-2012, 07:53 AM	#40
Kire Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: :/ Location: CA Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the market for small, light weight, relatively affordable, fun to drive coupes is not as large as we would like to believe. the FRS/BRZ needs 1 competitor at most. anything more, and the pie will be sliced too thinly amongst the competitors and eventually they will all abandon the market due to lack of profitability. $25K-$28K is not exactly cheap. even the miata does not sell anywhere as well today as it did the first 2 generations. the reason for it mainly has to do with the fact that the car has significantly gone up in price.

09-14-2012, 08:34 AM	#41
jellygorilla Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: basement Posts: 36 Thanks: 6 Thanked 28 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Honda S3000. yes, THREE THOUSAND.

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