Why e85

[coyote]

This forum had potential.

Emphasis on had.

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by Ironsquid

I'm not worried about price, I just hope the Wawa opening by me will carry it. Typically performance and gas mileage/price don't mix.

VP 110 is 8.00/gallon. If it costs you double your gas price to make 30hp MANY people won't be running E85. I don't think it will be that bad, but corn futures are up 60%. Ethanol is still selling off stocks that they had from last summer. Expect the cost of gas, and E85 to keep climbing as the effects of the drought are felt in the months to come. Personally I think if the cost of ethanol keeps climbing it's not going to be part of our gas supply for very long. Something to think about at least.

[Ironsquid]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

VP 110 is 8.00/gallon. If it costs you double your gas price to make 30hp MANY people won't be running E85. I don't think it will be that bad, but corn futures are up 60%. Ethanol is still selling off stocks that they had from last summer. Expect the cost of gas, and E85 to keep climbing as the effects of the drought are felt in the months to come. Personally I think if the cost of ethanol keeps climbing it's not going to be part of our gas supply for very long. Something to think about at least.

I'd pay 8/gal. Its people that use the car as a DD that have issues with e85. The rest of us would like to see 30hp from switching fuels.

[Mitch]

E85 is "pump gas" per SCCA. 100 octane isn't. Street Touring allows "pump gas". I'd be a fool not to take an extra 30hp to the track.

[Wes B.]

E85: has a much higher octane rating than Premium gasoline, burns at far lower temperatures due its thermodynamics (which allows the engine to run cooler), and it burns cleaner. E85 is the way of the future for internal combustion engines, and it's as innovative as EFI and MFI were to carburetors.

[DSTL]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Opened this thread up and went straight from rolling my eyes to laughing my ass off. Touché fine sir.

[RAYSSPL]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

Ive noticed most people want cheap power here. They want it now.
E85 is kind of like cheating in that regards. It leads not to innovative engines. Build high power from pump gas, And Ill give my respect to their abilities as an innovator.

Innovation? Well what have you innovated compared to the scientists that actually innovated E85?

Another stupid thread in this forum...

[gmookher]

uh what is this thread about?

[DSTL]

Originally Posted by gmookher

uh what is this thread about?

I felt a little better about myself after skimming it. It has served some purpose.

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by Wes B.

E85: has a much higher octane rating than Premium gasoline, burns at far lower temperatures due its thermodynamics (which allows the engine to run cooler), and it burns cleaner. E85 is the way of the future for internal combustion engines, and it's as innovative as EFI and MFI were to carburetors.

Not taking away from anything you said, but my beef with e85 is that all the soybean farmers in America switched to corn, soy beans grown in south America, deforestation, more C02, global warming, we all die, the end.

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by EZWood

Not taking away from anything you said, but my beef with e85 is that all the soybean farmers in America switched to corn, soy beans grown in south America, deforestation, more C02, global warming, we all die, the end.

right right, now once we get past whales and snail saving... back to what makes more power...

[TouchMyHonda]

I was so excited about this forum...

[subatoy]

ok I'm totally ignorant about E85, I know it makes more power but my questions is, can I just put E85 on my car without any mods or do I have to do something to the car? I have a 2011 GTI.
It's a little hard to find it where I live but I wouldn't mind giving it a try.

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by subatoy

ok I'm totally ignorant about E85, I know it makes more power but my questions is, can I just put E85 on my car without any mods or do I have to do something to the car? I have a 2011 GTI.
It's a little hard to find it where I live but I wouldn't mind giving it a try.

I takes ~30% more E85 to just break even vs gasoline because ethanol has less energy. The BRZ/FRS has two fuel injection systems, direct and port. Between the two of them we can flow enough E85 to benefit from being able to advance the ignition. At the very least we need tuning to get a benefit. You will need tuning, and depending on your fuel injection system limitations you may need larger injectors and even a higher capacity fuel pump. You'rereally going to want to ask that question on a VW specific website like vwvortex. They'd be way more familiar with your platform than we would be.