Anyone Else Considering an Automatic FR-S?

[Zaku]

Chances are we'll never see a PDK style transmission in a Toyota, unless it's Supra or Lexus level....I can't imagine they putting it the FR-S. Watch I say that and after MMC they release a SST style transmission for special FR-S XD

[huyttz]

Ford has a dual clutch auto in the Fiesta and its a cheap car, so its not out of the question...

also, there is nothing preventing a traditional auto from working well on a small engine, except money and mpgs. the cost of a high performance auto is a lot and high performance autos drain mpgs. not really an issue on an AMG Mercedes getting 12mpg... but certainly an issue on something trying to be economical.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by huyttz

Ford has a dual clutch auto in the Fiesta and its a cheap car, so its not out of the question...

also, there is nothing preventing a traditional auto from working well on a small engine, except money and mpgs. the cost of a high performance auto is a lot and high performance autos drain mpgs. not really an issue on an AMG Mercedes getting 12mpg... but certainly an issue on something trying to be economical.

The manual might get about 1mpg better city/highway, but that's negligible for me. The real question will be which one is faster...

[Infernal]

From the outside, listening to americans talk about manual/auto transmissions is pretty funny.

It seems like people like to exclaim that they can drive a manual car like it is a hard thing to do, when im pretty sure that most of the other continents on this planet have majority MT drivers in their countries and dont think anything about it.

But, if the UK toyota version comes with an automatic, dual clutch, I'll test drive both - I recently drove the VW Polo GTI (1.4 litre supercharged and turbo'd, 180BHP engine with 7 speed DSG + paddles) and that was a really cool little motor, paddles for when you want to pick the right gear for a corner, auto for when you just want to be lazy and go to work in morning-zombie mode.

I don't think id miss anything from a manual trans like in my current car, clutch progression is overrated to me at the moment, because i dont go around drifting everywhere and id rather use a bike on a track day


wow WOT


TL;DR:
Manual if its not a dual clutch auto

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Infernal

But, if the UK toyota version comes with an automatic, dual clutch, I'll test drive both - I recently drove the VW Polo GTI (1.4 litre supercharged and turbo'd, 180BHP engine with 7 speed DSG + paddles)

Please tell us more about this supercharged + turbo 1.4L engine.

[SUB-FT86]

I drive a automatic, 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with 140 lb ft of torque and it feels kind of adequate with just me in the car by myself. Going up hills,passing,or driving with other people in the car sucks terribly so I dont expect much from the fr-s automatic but I still want one.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I drive a automatic, 2.0 liter 4 cylinder with 140 lb ft of torque and it feels kind of adequate with just me in the car by myself. Going up hills,passing,or driving with other people in the car sucks terribly so I dont expect much from the fr-s automatic but I still want one.

The power is a concern for me too. Luckily I don't have to worry about too many hills, but it's always better to have the extra power.

[Infernal]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Please tell us more about this supercharged + turbo 1.4L engine.

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/220

if the ft86 isnt up to my liking then it's a pretty big option for me

[MtnDrvr86]

Originally Posted by Infernal

From the outside, listening to americans talk about manual/auto transmissions is pretty funny.

It seems like people like to exclaim that they can drive a manual car like it is a hard thing to do, when im pretty sure that most of the other continents on this planet have majority MT drivers in their countries and dont think anything about it.

But, if the UK toyota version comes with an automatic, dual clutch, I'll test drive both - I recently drove the VW Polo GTI (1.4 litre supercharged and turbo'd, 180BHP engine with 7 speed DSG + paddles) and that was a really cool little motor, paddles for when you want to pick the right gear for a corner, auto for when you just want to be lazy and go to work in morning-zombie mode.

I don't think id miss anything from a manual trans like in my current car, clutch progression is overrated to me at the moment, because i dont go around drifting everywhere and id rather use a bike on a track day


wow WOT


TL;DR:
Manual if its not a dual clutch auto

Im not sure if it has been changed or not, but the GTI I drove a couple years ago with the DSG dual clutch would not hold the gear. It shifted just before redline, which is fine in noremal day-to-day driving but anything more spirited or on a track I think it would be kind of annoying having to shift again in the corner.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Infernal

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/220

if the ft86 isnt up to my liking then it's a pretty big option for me

Very nice. I don't think we will be getting that here in the States. Sure wish we would.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Infernal

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/220

if the ft86 isnt up to my liking then it's a pretty big option for me

That car looks nice, idk why VW hasn't introduced it to the US yet.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

That car looks nice, idk why VW hasn't introduced it to the US yet.

Probably the same reason they don't bring over the Golf GTD, VW probably feels there isn't enough of an interest to bring it over to the US as they probably can't make enough money with a limited production run + costs involved with getting it here for sale (emissions).

[Leeky]

Im still on the fence....

If its a torque convertor based automatic then i'll deffo go manual.

But... if its a hydraulic dual clutch setup with paddles, doesnt reduce fuel economy or performance and it costs the same as the manual... I'd probably go for the auto instead.

[spwolf]

Originally Posted by Leeky

Im still on the fence....

If its a torque convertor based automatic then i'll deffo go manual.

But... if its a hydraulic dual clutch setup with paddles, doesnt reduce fuel economy or performance and it costs the same as the manual... I'd probably go for the auto instead.

it will certainly be classic AT... but modern ones these days have lockup control so you dont lose any performance or economy.

but in any case, it will be more expensive than manual.