FT86 ... AS A SCION???

[OldSkoolToys]

Well, there's always just Trueno...or Levin. Both accomplish exactly what White comet was talking about earlier, without infringing on anyone elses names.

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by cyde01

YOU don't know. the rest of the world that knows even a little about trademark law does! it's the law, why would toyota even bother contacting chrysler? the name's already locked up as far as the north american market is concerned. i don't really care what they name it, i'm just saying it is common sense that they couldn't call it sprinter if another automobile is already called sprinter. even if they "used the term on the tail end of a base model name."

It's an intellectual exercise.

Humour me.

And Old Skoo, I agree. "Trueno" or "Levin" would be great. I also really don't care ultimately what it gets named, but I do think, for the same reasons as you, that branding the car a Scion would be stupid. Just as calling it a "Celica" would be equally stupid.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by White Comet

It's an intellectual exercise. Humour me.

sigh... really? i mean, really? isn't it common sense that if chevy came out with a "camaro mustang edition" or something like that ford would automatically sue for trademark infringement? or how about "ford mustang firebird edition?" how about toyota call this car "toyota levin aztek?" or "toyota corolla delorean edition?"

no offense but this is just silly. i shouldn't even have to type this stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_infringement

Trademark infringement is a violation of the exclusive rights attaching to a trademark without the authorization of the trademark owner or any licensees (provided that such authorization was within the scope of the license). Infringement may occur when one party, the "infringer", uses a trademark which is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark owned by another party, in relation to products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the registration covers.

Likelihood of confusion is not necessarily measured by actual consumer confusion, though normally one of the elements, but by a series of criteria Courts have established. A prime example is the test announced by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in AMF, Inc v Sleekcraft Boats, 599 F.2d 341 (C.A.9) 1979. The Court there announced eight specific elements to measure likelihood of confusion:

1. Strength of the mark
2. Proximity of the goods
3. Similarity of the marks
4. Evidence of actual confusion
5. Marketing channels used
6. Type of goods and the degree of care likely to be exercised by the purchaser
7. Defendant's intent in selecting the mark
8. Likelihood of expansion of the product lines

any lawyer will tell you that toyota using sprinter within any part of the model name would mean chrysler would have a very strong case for trademark infringement according to #2 and #3. in this case, the trademark would be concerning a name, which would make the "marks" identical according to #3. according to #2, while they are very different models competing for very different market segments, they are both automobiles, so as far as the law goes, they are at extreme close proximity (within the same industry). chrysler would have a very strong case, but how would the court rule? of course no one would know, but if chrysler had such a strong case why would toyota even bother in the first place? over a name that only has recognition with internet forum inital d fanboys?

[Siriusly.Andrew]

This Topic became a Fight Club in no time, Whats rule #1

DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB

as my girlfriend would say "quitcha bitchin"
Get over it.

The car is coming, and we're all gonna buy one, hang out and drink some beer. Coolio.

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

This Topic became a Fight Club in no time, Whats rule #1

DONT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB

as my girlfriend would say "quitcha bitchin"
Get over it.

The car is coming, and we're all gonna buy one, hang out and drink some beer. Coolio.

+1 How did this grow into a pissing contest over the freaking name and trademark issues? At the end of the day, does it really matter what it's called if you're gonna get one regardless? I agree with the above sentiment.

[cyde01]

well it wasn't my intention to be a part of a pissing contest, and i honestly didn't think i was fighting. like others have said, i'll still get this car regardless of what it's called. i just get surprised sometimes at how absent common sense seems to be in forum discussions, and i tend to be blunt about it. i'm not mad about it or anything, just surprised.

[S2KtoFT86]

Originally Posted by cyde01

well it wasn't my intention to be a part of a pissing contest, and i honestly didn't think i was fighting. like others have said, i'll still get this car regardless of what it's called. i just get surprised sometimes at how absent common sense seems to be in forum discussions, and i tend to be blunt about it. i'm not mad about it or anything, just surprised.

It's the internet. We all can be absent of common sense at one point or another lol. Happens to the best of us.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I'm not on a high horse. This car is being manufactured in the image of the AE86, not the Celica. This isn't debatable, its just a fact. How is it even remotely "being on a high horse" stating that Toyota came to club4ag for the enthusiasts opinion? Again, its not debatable, its just fact. You may not like this fact, for whatever god unknown reason, but its true. Fyi, club4ag is more than just a bunch of 86 fans. They're mostly old school toyota fans, most of which would probably be stoked if it were called a Celica.

There's no high horse here bud. Toyota said they're coming out with a spiritual successor to the ae86, so lets keep that in perspective. If this was a "spiritual" successor to the Celica, I wouldn't be in here throwing lines and arguing with people why the car should have a namesake after the AE86.

Lastly, no, not just because Toyota came to club4ag. Do you even read articles? Have you followed nothing? Does the name FT-86 even remotely consider anything closely to AE86? Ahhrrmm....lots of evidence showing exactly what car the FT is being molded after. But nevermind the actual spoken words from Toyota themselves.
The statement, about a successor being awd, etc. was aimed at the constant factoid spewage of the Celica's success in WRC, which is very well documented. No matter which/what way you wanna spin it, that was the hayday of the Celica: its rally years. It made its biggest mark upon car enthusiasts in this stage. Yes, the Celica was all of those things years before the AE86, but you have to remember that the ae86 is just another car in the long line of the sprinter trueno/levin series of corolla's, which actually dates back to the same beginning years of the celica, if you so much as want to play the "history" game.

Look bud, I don't know what got your panties in a crinkle, but all I've been doing is reminding people that this car wasn't brought about because of the huge following and success of the Celica. It was brought about by the AE86. Might be a tough fact for you to swallow, but hey, its true.

It should also be noted that whatever name this car gets matters little in the end-game. I'm going to buy one, even if it was called a Pinto Shittard Sport 2000. As I've stated many times before already, I suspect this car will get an all-new name, a way to symbolize a new era regarding Toyota's cars and how they go about making them.

The only want getting their panties in a bunch is you bud. Toyota already envisioned a concept for an economic, lightweight, sports car. I know it is a fact that the went to club 4ag for opinions on what they would like to see in such a car. That doesn't mean that Toyota are building this because club 4ag said "build us this car". I also realize that it IS the spiritual successor so the AE86. Newsflash, it is JUST that. A spiritual successor. The AE86 is a Corolla in case you have forgotten, and there is no way in hell that this car is going to be called a Corolla. I totally do not get why you think it would be such a slap in the face if it is called a Celica. This car will be badged as whatever Toyota's marketing guys figure will help it sell best. Be that Trueno, Levin, Celica, or something completely new, I could really care less. I also don't care WHY it exists, I'm just glad that it does. I'm pretty sure that most on here will agree with that estimation.

p.s. You might not know, but the last "spiritual successor" to the AE86 was the Altezza.

[cyde01]

there's no use matador, the young uns just aren't gonna give the celica name it's proper due respect. 20 year old cars only get respect if they're featured in manga comics apparently.

[zigzagz94]

WOW!!

I leave to go to work for a few days and this thread implodes. I guess it's partly my fault eventhough I meant most of my comments in a wink wink nod nod jokingly poking fun kind of way. My bad.

To sum up everything we've learned from this topic:
NO ONE GIVES A FUCK WHAT THIS CAR IS GOING TO BE CALLED...WE'RE ALL STILL GOING TO BUY IT!!!

close thread

[YourFearlessLeader]

my poor thread :-(

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by cyde01

over a name that only has recognition with internet forum inital d fanboys?

Hahahahahahah Cyde, that was actually pretty funny.


And also extremely ignorant.

Otherwise, past the funny statement, you are correct.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

p.s. You might not know, but the last "spiritual successor" to the AE86 was the Altezza.

I'm fully aware of the statements that were made deeming the Altezza the "Successor" to the ae86. You might not know this, but that statement was pretty much taken with a grain of salt by any enthusiast with knowledge on the AE86.

*My entire argument is just for the people that are crying for this car to be called a Celica.* I rebute with reasons why it shouldn't be. Some are a matter of opinion and the rest are just factual based. Honestly, no one's made any argument against why it shouldn't be called any of the names I and others have come up with, they just argue against them.

And if you'd read my entire post you'd notice I'm in the same boat as you. I don't care what its called, I'm still buying it. Why am I posting all of this stuff? See sentence *

Originally Posted by Cyde01

there's no use matador, the young uns just aren't gonna give the celica name it's proper due respect. 20 year old cars only get respect if they're featured in manga comics apparently.

Y'see, I'm the only one actually reading other peoples posts and then responding as if I had. You obviously aren't, Cyde, otherwise you wouldn't have said that to begin with.

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by cyde01

sigh... really? i mean, really? isn't it common sense that if chevy came out with a "camaro mustang edition" or something like that ford would automatically sue for trademark infringement? or how about "ford mustang firebird edition?" how about toyota call this car "toyota levin aztek?" or "toyota corolla delorean edition?"

no offense but this is just silly. i shouldn't even have to type this stuff.

Which word in the phrase "intellectual exercise" did you not understand?

Originally Posted by cyde01

i just get surprised sometimes at how absent common sense seems to be in forum discussions

Oh, the irony.