FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

intake and exhaust restrictions seem like they would hinder both performance and mileage

It's more about proper velocity for torque in a certain RPM range and Noise/Harshness/Vibration too. But save it for the Engine tech thread .

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I am so not getting my hopes up for that.

Remember that the chassis info has been revised. It's no longer Legacy/Impreza based (likely a rumour that came from the test mule). It's all new and hopefully single purpose, like the Miata. If that is the case it won't have any extra unnecessary weight from platform sharing like the Z. If they attack weight as seriously as Nissan did with the Z, in the name of efficiency and performance, sub-2500 lbs is actually very reasonable.

If Toyota's thinking ahead, they should be introducing weight-saving measures and production methods (left over LFA carbon-fiber facilities?) across their line to keep ahead of the competition in the economy war. If they do, economies of scale come into play.

And that could mean an inexpensive, very light FT86/FR-S.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Remember that the chassis info has been revised. It's no longer Legacy/Impreza based (likely a rumour that came from the test mule). It's all new and hopefully single purpose, like the Miata. If that is the case it won't have any extra unnecessary weight from platform sharing like the Z. If they attack weight as seriously as Nissan did with the Z, in the name of efficiency and performance, sub-2500 lbs is actually very reasonable.

If Toyota's thinking ahead, they should be introducing weight-saving measures and production methods (left over LFA carbon-fiber facilities?) across their line to keep ahead of the competition in the economy war. If they do, economies of scale come into play.

And that could mean an inexpensive, very light FT86/FR-S.

I like the way you think.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Remember that the chassis info has been revised. It's no longer Legacy/Impreza based (likely a rumour that came from the test mule). It's all new and hopefully single purpose, like the Miata. If that is the case it won't have any extra unnecessary weight from platform sharing like the Z. If they attack weight as seriously as Nissan did with the Z, in the name of efficiency and performance, sub-2500 lbs is actually very reasonable.

If Toyota's thinking ahead, they should be introducing weight-saving measures and production methods (left over LFA carbon-fiber facilities?) across their line to keep ahead of the competition in the economy war. If they do, economies of scale come into play.

And that could mean an inexpensive, very light FT86/FR-S.

I agree...but I keep my expectations low so that when its released I can go, AWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEAHHHHHH.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Remember that the chassis info has been revised. It's no longer Legacy/Impreza based (likely a rumour that came from the test mule). It's all new and hopefully single purpose, like the Miata. If that is the case it won't have any extra unnecessary weight from platform sharing like the Z. If they attack weight as seriously as Nissan did with the Z, in the name of efficiency and performance, sub-2500 lbs is actually very reasonable.

If Toyota's thinking ahead, they should be introducing weight-saving measures and production methods (left over LFA carbon-fiber facilities?) across their line to keep ahead of the competition in the economy war. If they do, economies of scale come into play.

And that could mean an inexpensive, very light FT86/FR-S.

Wow, great, but I don't think it will happen soon. Toyota corp has to deal with is with customers, and stockholders. Those freak stockholders would like more revenue. They don't care to spend on something like this until everyone start to do it( well, why would they care when they drive Germans and Italians?). This is why Toyota is not like what it used to be, just like other corps.

EDIT: I mean Big Stock and Shareholders.

[Jordo!]

The only reasons I ever saw this as a possible contender was:

1. If they offer a higher trim level that makes similar power:weight.

2. I was under the impression the price had jumped to the mid to high 20's to start, but I guess that was just a rumor?

Beyond that, the sports car/pony car market is defined by more powerful cars, with the exception of the Miata, which seems to have created its own niche market, and the closest competitor, the MR2, was canned several years ago.

That said, if the price and power:weight remain night and day, there is no debate to be had, and this car will end up competing (and winning, I expect) against cars like the GTI and whatever new Civic shitbox Honda trots out.

I still don't see this stealing away any Miata guys, but who knows until the thing is out dodging cones.

[iff2mastamatt]

Some 370Z owners would use the FR-S as a DD, just like other people with sports cars already. If this thing looks sweet with great mpg, then it will be more popular in the long run.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

I agree...but I keep my expectations low so that when its released I can go, AWWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEAHHHHHH.

[hogge]

The question of price is important to me. In Sweden we pay 25% tax when we buy a car. The 370 is way out of reach, in fact even the Genesis Coupé is over priced here IMO.

[goopi]

370z > FR-S.

That does not mean the FR-S won't be a great car, the 370Z is a raw sports car, it delivers power throughout most of its powerband, its got a V6.

The FR-S just might get the golden ticket too, hopefully it handles well and perhaps V6 conversions will soon begin...

[DaveyG]

Originally Posted by goopi

370z > FR-S.

That does not mean the FR-S won't be a great car, the 370Z is a raw sports car, it delivers power throughout most of its powerband, its got a V6.

The FR-S just might get the golden ticket too, hopefully it handles well and perhaps V6 conversions will soon begin...

I agree. I love the 370z. But like people have said you really cant compare the the two cars. Plus you have to DRIVE them to compare them so this thread should just be locked. I hate when people wanna compare cars that the person hasnt driven

[nate89]

Another zombie thread brought back by the noobs...

[pastuch]

My 370z review: I test drove the Canadian Touring model and I was totally disappointed. The new transmission is a lot better than the M6 in the 350z but that's not saying much, the 350z had a horrible transmission. The steering feel was not direct enough and floated at speed. The car felt very heavy in corners and didn't translate any sense of fun to the driver. For all of it's horse power and wonderful exhaust note the car didn't "feel fast". I'm doing over 140kph and I felt like I was crawling.

370 = fail.

[zigzagz94]

Originally Posted by nate89

Another zombie thread brought back by the noobs...

We are THE news source for this car. Everyone on the internet is linking to us.
Everytime we break new info on these cars we're getting a lot of new members joining up.

AT LEAST THESE NEW BATCH OF NOOBS ARE USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!!!

on topic: the 2012 370Z has an oil cooler standard so that's one issue down. Now they need to do something about weight.