First Spy Pics of Scion FR-S / Toyota FT-86 Production Test Mule! (Updated 5/17)

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

It was my impression that subaru was the faster higher end model and scion would be the "base" model.

There was some speculation that the subie would be likr 40k and have an STI engine but I doubt those rumors will be true. The subie and Scion will probably both be very similar, with no turbos.

[PAImportTuner]

You know all these pics and no videos!? Someone has to have a vid of this run if people were able to snap shots on it.

[PAImportTuner]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

There was some speculation that the subie would be likr 40k and have an STI engine but I doubt those rumors will be true. The subie and Scion will probably both be very similar, with no turbos.

I can totally see this car getting a 265hp wrx powerplant, but not the 305hp sti unit.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dark

I don't see the same line here. Fender on camry has one more curvy line and the line on the door of ES is higher which make it looks a bit wider(still similar dimension). Camry also has more line on the hood and the roof line/third quarter is also different.

EDIT: I noticed twin tiny lines from the Toyota emblem too.

Kind of silly to argue as they ARE the same platform/car.

The point being that there CAN be a pretty significant appearance difference on cars of the same platform.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Sea1monkey2

you say this, and then my focus changes... im seeing something show up in the nose. it may just be my mind playing tricks on me

top is what it looks like with contrast upped
middle is my minds interpretation (logo added for reference)
bottom is the fr-s

It could be the Pleiads too, aka Subaru.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

I can totally see this car getting a 265hp wrx powerplant, but not the 305hp sti unit.

305hp would be nice! Not going to happen, but this car should have at least 148hp, since that's what the new generation of 2.0L boxers should have at the minimum.

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yes. And they managed to make a bit of a visual difference between the Lexus ES and the Camry:




It's not a huge difference, but enough.

I dont think the ES and the Camry is a GOOD example of shared Sheet metal parts..

GOOGLE.
Toyota Aurion
Toyota Camry

I cant post photos here on my Work PC :-(

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Kind of silly to argue as they ARE the same platform/car.

The point being that there CAN be a pretty significant appearance difference on cars of the same platform.

Yup. They use the same plate form, but the sheet metal can be different. As long as the bolt in points are still the same, they still can be share same plateform with slightly different sheet metal. I could be wrong tho.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

I dont think the ES and the Camry is a GOOD example of shared Sheet metal parts..

GOOGLE.
Toyota Aurion
Toyota Camry

I cant post photos here on my Work PC :-(

They're all XV40's.

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Kind of silly to argue as they ARE the same platform/car.

The point being that there CAN be a pretty significant appearance difference on cars of the same platform.

BUT... big difference between shared PLATFORM and shared Sheet METAL body.

Toyota PRADO and Toyota FJ Cruiser has same PLATFORM..

Scion FR-S and Subaru Impreza has same platform...

Different Sheet metal bodies.

[AIRMAX]

But platform and sheet metal body (the T-cell cabin portion) is different.

The ES and Camry has same platform (or Chassis in engineering term) but different Sheet Metal Body (main body).

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Infernal

yep, and a sudden burst of people with 6 posts commenting what the facts are

people talking about 6 litre v8 american crap

and people saying it is bland

most of it is covered up - i dont see how people can be so opinionated when they cant see how the sun is hitting the sheet metal

anyway, this might just be a mix of the 3 concept's junk parts dropped onto the ft86 chassis to test how wind/aero affects it in a general manner

who knows for sure

Hey now, don't forget we get thousands of visitors to this forum and only a few became active members. Heck, I was flammed when I was new too. It's no wonder that people visit but never comment. Most of the people posting are asking the same questions without searching and making requests to Toyota for such and such. But we do get some decent new members once in awhile.

Plus the Corvette is a proper sports car with credentials, racing history, and a good reputation. It actually gets "good" FE too. Although it is pretty expensive and doesn't have a "nice" interior. The Corvette is iconic and one of the very few sports cars that are still successful after being introduced in the 60's. Plus if you compare it to the average v8 musclecar or even the modest Mustang it's a light car despite the v8!

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

I dont think the ES and the Camry is a GOOD example of shared Sheet metal parts..

GOOGLE.
Toyota Aurion
Toyota Camry

I cant post photos here on my Work PC :-(

Isn't the Aurion a suped up Camry? They are the same car, to the best of my understanding, so they're not really sharing platforms with one another since they're the same.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

But platform and sheet metal body (the T-cell cabin portion) is different.

The ES and Camry has same platform (or Chassis in engineering term) but different Sheet Metal Body (main body).

And the Subaru and Toyota versions of the FT86 will share the same platform.

My whole point is that the Subaru can actually end up looking quite different. Probably more so than an ES and a Camry.