Got a few (<- keyword) newish details from a Toyo Dealer

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I'm curious what people plan on swapping into a RWD car designed for a Flat 4?

I get the feeling the Cutting Torch will get a workout.

a friggin inline 6 of course!

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by VenomRush

a friggin inline 6 of course!

Lol and an AWD conversion?

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Lol and an AWD conversion?

with 4 wheel steering

[Matador]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I'm curious what people plan on swapping into a RWD car designed for a Flat 4?

I get the feeling the Cutting Torch will get a workout.

R26B.

[VenomRush]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

R26B.

blasphemy

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I'm curious what people plan on swapping into a RWD car designed for a Flat 4?

I get the feeling the Cutting Torch will get a workout.

I didnt say I would swap the motor. I would mod it.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I'm curious what people plan on swapping into a RWD car designed for a Flat 4?

I get the feeling the Cutting Torch will get a workout.

1000 Base Hampster Power.

Direct Sunflower seed Injection.


Just kidding.

I'd leave it alone until I become a bit more familiar with any other options and... have the money to do a swap.. Or a Tune. O:

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

That's about as close as it gets. I said sports cars, not muscle cars using paid-for tooling and technology [minus the new and quite good V-6], but you get a star for merit. Mustang production numbers hover around 150k/year, which is "medium production levels", just barely enough quantity to offer a stripped down base model in the low $20k's. That said, the V-6 Premium most people buy starts at $26k, with plenty of high-profit-margin GT's well into the $30k's.

If the FR-S follows the traditional Scion philosophy of having only one trim level from the factory, there won't be any juicy high-profit margin trim levels to offset the loss-leading base trim offerings. Factor in that Toyota's last small sports cars [the Celica and MR-Spyder] died tragic deaths from very low sales, and Toyota has a huge mountain to climb to get solid sales figures to make the FR-S worth building at any price.

To put some volume numbers in perspective:
That is about 5x Scion's total sales last year.

That is also about 20k units less than Scions combined sales of their best year ever (years ago...).

One car vs all of Scion.

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by aliphian

I didnt say I would swap the motor. I would mod it.

Lol fair enough. But others have said they would replace the motor. I just happened to quote you at random.

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by Giccin

1000 Base Hampster Power.

Direct Sunflower seed Injection.


Just kidding.

I'd leave it alone until I become a bit more familiar with any other options and... have the money to do a swap.. Or a Tune. O:

Should be interesting what options will be available. I wonder if parts/kits will be swapable between the Subie, Scion, and Toyota.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Lol fair enough. But others have said they would replace the motor. I just happened to quote you at random.

I may if the stock one is underwhelming, for example as I fear, a maxed out FB20 that is not mod-friendly. I would look into the EZ30 (240ish hp stock) H6. They should be cheap by the time my car's paid for. If that won't fit, or is too front heavy, the next gen WRX/STI H4 should be out. But that would be $$$.

I'm throwing out options, since we still don't know if the motor will actually be FB-based, as the WRX/STI are getting a completely different design.

I'll say it again: 90mm stroke (FB's) is not rev-friendly.

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I may if the stock one is underwhelming, for example as I fear, a maxed out FB20 that is not mod-friendly. I would look into the EZ30 (240ish hp stock) H6. They should be cheap by the time my car's paid for. If that won't fit, or is too front heavy, the next gen WRX/STI H4 should be out. But that would be $$$.

I'm throwing out options, since we still don't know if the motor will actually be FB-based, as the WRX/STI are getting a completely different design.

I'll say it again: 90mm stroke (FB's) is not rev-friendly.

I hope not. I don't know shit about Subie's. But I was hoping for something high rev'ing like the first gen S2000's.

[Flip]

Originally Posted by Dimman

One car vs all of Scion.

You know the difference between the FR-S and the other Scions are? The FR-S isn't really ugly and douchey (the first gen tC is okay, but it's nothing special).

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I may if the stock one is underwhelming, for example as I fear, a maxed out FB20 that is not mod-friendly. I would look into the EZ30 (240ish hp stock) H6. They should be cheap by the time my car's paid for. If that won't fit, or is too front heavy, the next gen WRX/STI H4 should be out. But that would be $$$.

I'm throwing out options, since we still don't know if the motor will actually be FB-based, as the WRX/STI are getting a completely different design.

I'll say it again: 90mm stroke (FB's) is not rev-friendly.

or just swap em out w FB25. That one should get good hp & tq (I would guess)