"Underpowered"... compared to...?

[Tbomb 25]

Originally Posted by sho220

And the guys who hold out for a few years will get kicked in the teeth once something better comes out...and the guys who held out for that will get kicked in the teeth when something better comes out...etc, etc, etc...If you're gonna sit on the sidelines waiting for something better, you may never get off the sidelines...

To me this is what makes the twins so attractive...if i like my drive over the Mustang today i may get it drive the Hell out of it and wait for the new C7 vette to come out...

[ed209]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Right, a solid rear axle is great for handling...that's why all performance oriented cars use nothing but solid rear axles...right?

Don't get me wrong, I know the Boss 302 handles great (even with its handicap)...but it would be that much better with IRS.

and an unbalanced car with a rear weight bias is bad for handling too right? someone had better tell those guys at porsche they are doing it wrong...

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by ed209

and an unbalanced car with a rear weight bias is bad for handling too right? someone had better tell those guys at porsche they are doing it wrong...

They are. They've known this but its the icon they can't stop making so instead its the most developed car in the world so it works right despite this arrangement. They keep having to cripple the cayman/boxster so the 911 is still on top. I love and have driven many 911s, own a boxster, and no one honest will deny what I just said.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

They are. They've known this but its the icon they can't stop making so instead its the most developed car in the world so it works right despite this arrangement. They keep having to cripple the cayman/boxster so the 911 is still on top. I love and have driven many 911s, own a boxster, and no one honest will deny what I just said.

i think that is his point with the live axle too. not ideal but its working great. plus it is also cutting cost and weight. i cant think of another car that gets applause for its handling and comes with over 400 hp that you can buy for under 25k

[ed209]

don't forget that the live axle allows for increased reliability, reduced cost/weight, and better traction at the strip...

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think that is his point with the live axle too. not ideal but its working great. plus it is also cutting cost and weight. i cant think of another car that gets applause for its handling and comes with over 400 hp that you can buy for under 25k

FWIW, the only mustang GT that handles well must have the track pack or brembo package. Show me those for sale with discount for $25k. Its a lot closer to $29 even with massive discounts.

But yes I agree it's a great handler for a live axle. It's not so great on a rough track though, traction then starts to be a problem even with all the advancements.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

FWIW, the only mustang GT that handles well must have the track pack or brembo package. Show me those for sale with discount for $25k. Its a lot closer to $29 even with massive discounts.

But yes I agree it's a great handler for a live axle. It's not so great on a rough track though, traction then starts to be a problem even with all the advancements.

i had offers for the brembo at just over 27k so thats still a sweet deal. i know it has some inherent problems. i guess i just get frustrated by the wealth of posts making blanket statements based only on the pieces and not the whole. its all fwd sucks, live axle sucks, oh its an overweight pig etc. then when you say macphersons suck or 200 hp isnt alot they tell you to go back to the strip. or they act like live axle is bad because its old but then talk down about dcts and the like. i think the bottom line is that the mustang is not my cup of tea but it is about as much performance per dollar as your going to find. its also ironic that many of the people here will praise the ae86 and turn around and critique the live axle on the mustang.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by iShaveWithKatana

Congratulations on coming in 1st place in making the most idiotic statement of the year (thus far) on any auto forum (or forum, period).

Your ignorance has been so brutally exposed that you'd really be best to shrink off into a corner and try and blend into the wallpaper, remaining quiet as can be.

Perhaps a lampshade on your head may help you.

The link to the article below doesn't make it fact that the RX-8 is one of the best handling cars under $100,000 one can buy (or that it handles better than some cars costing more than 100k), but merely reflects the reality on the ground. Does the fact that I owned an RX-8 (and tracked it regularly) give me the utmost confidence in saying this? Absolutely.

I can cite highly credible sources who actually have experience on a track who can vouch for the fact that the RX-8 is an example of idealism in handling, at 3100 lbs, with a 50/50 weight distribution, LSD, and an extremely low COG with extremely well damped suspension, but I just picked out and cited the first google hit that came up.

All factors equal (tires, etc.), your Toybaru is not in the same league as a stock RX-8. You know nothing. Your ignorance is epic.

The Best-Handling Car in America for Less Than $100,000

You're both wrong.

The RX8 is ugly with a terrible engine and shocking build quality, but it's chassis is definitely not confused.

As for "not in the same league", I reckon on the same tyres, they'd be pretty close to equal.

[coyote]

You're picking a fight in the wrong place. I do think the 86 is underpowered. I also think the interior is terrible. I just happen to think the same thing about the RX8. When it was being sold here, the RX8 was almost double the price of an 86 though.

[tnt]

RX-8 is one ugly looking car

[quik1987]

Uh... no sorry. Regarding looks.


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[quik1987]

It's universally understood that the RX-8 is ugly

[ChrisOkc8]

Originally Posted by iShaveWithKatana

It makes the FR-S look like a Celica, by comparison.

I thought the celica looked great and ahead of its time.

[coyote]

So you put the less 1 second difference in lap times down to the Mazda having a chassis that is in another league to the 86, rather than the difference between 225 RE050As and 215 Prius tyres?

Insightful.