Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Mr. Sociable, I'm not addressing you specifically, just quoting your post for the conversation at large.

So our Boxer engines with Direct Injection makes noise, why is anybody surprised by this? I'm surprised people are up in arms. Cars make noise, especially sports cars and as far sports cars go this thing is luxury and quiet, especially for $25k! You don't like noise? Go buy a Nissan LEAF or pony up for a Mercedes E-class.

By the way, for the Ethanol/non-ethanol discussion... It has nothing to do with the evil corn fuel. I also noticed with this car that regardless of E10 or non-eth, I get the same fuel economy and the same crickets.

To me it seems like this "cricket-whining" it's spreading bad mojo, creating a negative stigma about this car and is a little irritating. It makes it seem like it has more flaws then it actually does. Those guys with the CEL's the other thread, they have grounds for complaint.

Hello, if you don't own an 86 and you're thinking about buying one just know the DI system makes noise but there is nothing wrong with it.

Cheers

I have but one word for you:

Complacency.

[soconfoozed]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Mr. Sociable, I'm not addressing you specifically, just quoting your post for the conversation at large.

So our Boxer engines with Direct Injection makes noise, why is anybody surprised by this? I'm surprised people are up in arms. Cars make noise, especially sports cars and as far sports cars go this thing is luxury and quiet, especially for $25k! You don't like noise? Go buy a Nissan LEAF or pony up for a Mercedes E-class.

By the way, for the Ethanol/non-ethanol discussion... It has nothing to do with the evil corn fuel. I also noticed with this car that regardless of E10 or non-eth, I get the same fuel economy and the same crickets.

To me it seems like this "cricket-whining" it's spreading bad mojo, creating a negative stigma about this car and is a little irritating. It makes it seem like it has more flaws then it actually does. Those guys with the CEL's the other thread, they have grounds for complaint.

Hello, if you don't own an 86 and you're thinking about buying one just know the DI system makes noise but there is nothing wrong with it.

Cheers

You miss an important subtlety in your screed.

The problem isn't that the HPFP makes a noise. The problem is that the HPFP began making a noise after I took delivery of my BRZ and signed my name on the dotted line.

A fundamental part of why one buys a sports car -- especially for enthusiasts, such as anybody on this board -- is what it sounds like. In medicine and human studies, we talk about the notion of "informed consent." Had the car made the noise when I started it up at the dealership, I could have made a decision: yes, I accept this noise, or no, I do not.

It did not; the car I agreed to buy made no such noise. Nor did anybody so much as mention that it "may," or "could" develop a noise.

In this way, Subaru and Toyota have fundamentally misrepresented their product. End of story. Where one goes from here is another choice. I will be pressing the issue strongly with Subaru.

It isn't your job to apologize for Subaru and Toyota's design mistakes. I love my BRZ. I just want the car I actually bought, and I expect Subaru to hold up their end of the bargain. I trust they will, even if I get lied to periodically about how long things will take.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I have but one word for you:

Complacency.

I agree. We buy a car that looks a million dollars but soon sounds like its got a Briggs and Stratton under the bonnet. Some wouldn't know or care about that but for those who bought this car as an enthusiast of fine affordable engineering it is a big deal.

It's important to remember that when we buy a new car 'we' own it, not the dealer. They might get to service it and are obliged to support the warranty that was also purchased. In this case they are dragging their feet and hoping the noise doesn't develop into anything worse. The more people that accept their excuse not to fix it by agreeing it's normal for DI, the less inclined they will be to do anything.
Complacency!

For those inclined fix the problem rather than put up with the noise and possible consequences there are many threads on adding 2T in the small quantities mentioned here.
This thread is 51 pages over 4 years. Lots of positives after a quick look and no negatives. Low ash or ash free is important but fully synthetic might not be as good at stopping ethanol corrosion as mineral base or semi synthetic.
It's just one of many threads where people have resorted to the same fix to compensate for problems caused by current fuel standards.

http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-91206/

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by soconfoozed

The problem is that the HPFP began making a noise after I took delivery of my BRZ and signed my name on the dotted line.

Exactly. I doubt that 60% of people will push for a lemon law buyback, but sizable numbers might. Which would be very bad publicity.

[Spartan65]

Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3S

The chirping is normal. Its from the high pressure fuel pump used to provide such high fuel pressure to the DI system. When I had my speed3 running E85 I would hear this all the time. It is nothing to worry about.

I talked to a tech at my local dealer and they were taught the fuel pump would be noisy, don't forget they are using a combination of pumps for the DI system, and the mechanical pump is where the chirping is coming from. when you run these videos through a audio analyzer it is a harmonic fluctuation that is causing this. I just hope that the metals in contact don't seize or fail.

[KevinR]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Exactly. I doubt that 60% of people will push for a lemon law buyback, but sizable numbers might. Which would be very bad publicity.

If you even asked for a lemon Law buyback for a little chirp they would laugh in your face. The car has to be out of commission for a shit load of time before the lemon Law is in effect.

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[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by soconfoozed

You miss an important subtlety in your screed.

The problem isn't that the HPFP makes a noise. The problem is that the HPFP began making a noise after I took delivery of my BRZ and signed my name on the dotted line.

A fundamental part of why one buys a sports car -- especially for enthusiasts, such as anybody on this board -- is what it sounds like. In medicine and human studies, we talk about the notion of "informed consent." Had the car made the noise when I started it up at the dealership, I could have made a decision: yes, I accept this noise, or no, I do not.

It did not; the car I agreed to buy made no such noise. Nor did anybody so much as mention that it "may," or "could" develop a noise.

In this way, Subaru and Toyota have fundamentally misrepresented their product. End of story. Where one goes from here is another choice. I will be pressing the issue strongly with Subaru.

It isn't your job to apologize for Subaru and Toyota's design mistakes. I love my BRZ. I just want the car I actually bought, and I expect Subaru to hold up their end of the bargain. I trust they will, even if I get lied to periodically about how long things will take.

You should take it back then and go buy something else.

Also, don't accuse me of being an apologist (or worse, a free one!) for Toyota. I don't like the crickets either but it's such a non-issue I can't wrap my head around why something as frivolous as the crickets gets so many panties wadded up. Also, I bet dollars to donuts you knew something or other about the "crickets" from this board or a review before you bought the car and you bought it anyway.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

I have but one word for you:

Complacency.

I got one phrase for you:

Mountain out of mole-hill.

[brianbot5000]

Here's why I would be (and am) slightly worried about the crickets: It didn't do this when new, took a few hundred miles to begin. So what's it going to be like another 10k miles from now? 40k miles? If that noise is friction, what is that friction going to do when I'm past 3 year/36k miles? And what happens when the 2014 model comes out with a redesigned direct injection system, and no longer has those friendly crickets - who's going to want to buy the 2013 model anymore?

Maybe that's going a bit far, but maybe not. A few months ago, no one thought we'd be having conversations about cricket noises...

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by brianbot5000

Here's why I would be (and am) slightly worried about the crickets: It didn't do this when new, took a few hundred miles to begin. So what's it going to be like another 10k miles from now? 40k miles? If that noise is friction, what is that friction going to do when I'm past 3 year/36k miles? And what happens when the 2014 model comes out with a redesigned direct injection system, and no longer has those friendly crickets - who's going to want to buy the 2013 model anymore?

Maybe that's going a bit far, but maybe not. A few months ago, no one thought we'd be having conversations about cricket noises...

Although I hate brainbot5000's avatar — really, really hate it — I have to agree with part of this. It seems odd to me that the "normal" function of the HPFP would go from not-noisy to noisy. But I have no experience with DI or with HPFPs.

In truth, I'm laying m chips on the bet that this whole thing is normal. If I had an FT-86, I would not lose much sleep over this.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by KevinR

If you even asked for a lemon Law buyback for a little chirp they would laugh in your face. The car has to be out of commission for a shit load of time before the lemon Law is in effect.

False. In many states - multiple repair attempts for the same problem count. Given how quickly these develop the noise - it won't take long to go through 3-4 HPFPs.

[NeedsmoreCowbell]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

You should take it back then and go buy something else.

Also, I bet dollars to donuts you knew something or other about the "crickets" from this board or a review before you bought the car and you bought it anyway.

Nope you are wrong. Actually I got my car in May and didn't even test drive it "technically" Got to display it and talk about it with other FT86 fans. At the time no one ever talked about the DI system having a very noisy parasitic noise...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=toyota+dallas


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=toyota+dallas


Right off the bat the driver side speaker was already popping out. That night driving it home I talked about the seat belt chime to everyone, I think I might be the one who even first posted it Personally I feel sometimes it was a malfunction caused by the dealership accidentally filling the car up with 87 octane. Or gas in the USA? etc. etc. etc. Who knows it could be also the fact I got one of the first batches which had maybe an unresolved issue. All be it you stand on no ground to say who said what when and how so please if you are not here to help solve the problem...
Bring some donuts.


Not everyone has this issue. I know for sure several FRS owners locally that never developed it and 1 who has it slightly and not as loud. Mine gets loud.

[sierra]

Copied from the BRZ chirping thread, posted about 3 weeks ago.

"I think the theory on ethanol free makes sense. I searched Yahoo Japan on this chirping issue to see if anyone in Japan is getting it, but apparently no one has even heard of the problem there. This is probably because they only use pure gas over there in Japan."

If they don't have this noise in Japan then how can they claim it's normal?

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by NeedsmoreCowbell

Bring some donuts.

This is why I don't gamble. Aw well. Donuts for everyone.

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