Castle Hill Performance T/C 86

[Visconti]

Wow...

You don't have to get a tune from them.. Just sayin

[Tradewind]

Originally Posted by mroczeK

Castle Hill Performances official pricing for this kit is

$6995 (suppy only)
and
$9995 (drive in drive out with your choice of tuning solution)

Anyone else think that's a bit high for the amount of gain you get? They haven't stated what's included in the kit, but should be the same as in the video and pictures.

Those prices are 100% on par with the Bullet SC kit. Aussie product seems to be falling between $6k in a box to around <$10k drive away tuned

The exception being AVO who have indicated that sub $4k for their turbo kit

[grk]

Originally Posted by mroczeK

Castle Hill Performances official pricing for this kit is

$6995 (suppy only)
and
$9995 (drive in drive out with your choice of tuning solution)

Anyone else think that's a bit high for the amount of gain you get? They haven't stated what's included in the kit, but should be the same as in the video and pictures.

Extremely high, early adopters fee I guess. I'm gonna wait (like basically everyone else) until the kit is proven reliable and the engine doesn't die after 12-18 months. By then the price will definitely drop as there'll be TRD/STI FI options too. Furthermore, these cars will hold their value nicely, so the MY14/15 with FI might be worth waiting for... considering the cost of this car is effectively 40k + 10k (turbo), in 18 months might as well just sell it for 30k bone stock (?) and see if you can get a pre order on a BRZ STI unless these kits actually drop to a realistic price.

I'm glad there are plenty of people who are making these kits, and plenty of people who are happy to pay the current price for it though. It's just too expensive and unproven for me.

[DriftEightSix]

Originally Posted by Tradewind

Those prices are 100% on par with the Bullet SC kit. Aussie product seems to be falling between $6k in a box to around <$10k drive away tuned

The exception being AVO who have indicated that sub $4k for their turbo kit

All our hopes hinge on AVO.

Or just import one of the US guys kits.

[nix]

Originally Posted by Don@Accelerated

We can have vented BOV. Mine does!

Originally Posted by Coheed

Wow, um, the MAF is by the throttle body. Why would you need to recirculate the BOV? It's a blow-thru MAF. Not pull through.

Originally Posted by WTF

By law in australia you can not have a BOV vent to atmo, is what he meant.

Originally Posted by Dimman

Wow, um, the 'we' means Australians, not 86 owners.

Yep, meant Aus laws.

Originally Posted by MZ21

This why don't post outside of the Aussie section. Way to many knob jockeys.

Ps, car has a turbo smart bov, plumbed back into the **factory air box**. There is no flutter or surge.

Now to rest of those read this thread. If you have any chance of running e85 or eflex do it.

Sorry they had that response man, GL with your setup.

[dunphyjp]

Originally Posted by Hal@Dynosty

Congrats guys! The black intercooler piping looks nice. Excited to see so many FR-S getting turbochargers already

agreed! and loving the black intercooler piping too! very sexy!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by grk

Extremely high, early adopters fee I guess. I'm gonna wait (like basically everyone else) until the kit is proven reliable and the engine doesn't die after 12-18 months. By then the price will definitely drop as there'll be TRD/STI FI options too. Furthermore, these cars will hold their value nicely, so the MY14/15 with FI might be worth waiting for... considering the cost of this car is effectively 40k + 10k (turbo), in 18 months might as well just sell it for 30k bone stock (?) and see if you can get a pre order on a BRZ STI unless these kits actually drop to a realistic price.

I'm glad there are plenty of people who are making these kits, and plenty of people who are happy to pay the current price for it though. It's just too expensive and unproven for me.

From what Dale @ Castle Hill has said, there is a lot more in the kit than people seem to be giving credit for. He will have a full list of parts included tomorrow. But from what I can tell, the turbo, oil pump, ecu, hoses, connectors etc, is already taking a substantial chunk of that payment, add to that research time, tuning, etc, it seems fairly reasonable.

You will get hundreds of kids spending $1700 on an exhaust, that gets them 4-5kw, yet people complain about $7k-9k that will DOUBLE your power output?!!

[GC GTS Aero Kit]

Originally Posted by WTF

From what Dale @ Castle Hill has said, there is a lot more in the kit than people seem to be giving credit for. He will have a full list of parts included tomorrow. But from what I can tell, the turbo, oil pump, ecu, hoses, connectors etc, is already taking a substantial chunk of that payment, add to that research time, tuning, etc, it seems fairly reasonable.

You will get hundreds of kids spending $1700 on an exhaust, that gets them 4-5kw, yet people complain about $7k-9k that will DOUBLE your power output?!!

Exactly Mark, plenty of people keen to bash the prices but these guys stuck their necks out to make a kit and trial and error, I totally think the kit price is reasonable.....But there are alot of young kids who bought these cars that just cant afford to modify them properly and complain that it costs too much.

Ebay exhausts and pod filters aplenty for the haters out there!!!

[grk]

Originally Posted by WTF

From what Dale @ Castle Hill has said, there is a lot more in the kit than people seem to be giving credit for. He will have a full list of parts included tomorrow. But from what I can tell, the turbo, oil pump, ecu, hoses, connectors etc, is already taking a substantial chunk of that payment, add to that research time, tuning, etc, it seems fairly reasonable.

You will get hundreds of kids spending $1700 on an exhaust, that gets them 4-5kw, yet people complain about $7k-9k that will DOUBLE your power output?!!

That's all well and good, but lets wait and see the full parts list. My concerns are regarding the reliability and how the entire car responds to FI for the next 12+ months.

Also, 160whp to 280whp isn't quite double, and the kit isn't "7k-9k" it's 10k installed.

Sure, let Dale and the rest of the developers of these kits get theirs, if you invest the time and effort to develop one of the first kits then you can price it as you please. The reason people are taken aback at the price is because the time and research is factored into the cost, early adopters fee. 10k in other car circles will get you a lot goddamn further in the power department, and thats what people are used to (I expect).

Honestly though, the kit looks sick and 10k for a drive in drive out solution is pretty fucking tempting. Ill probably go see him in 6 months eitherway

[Ravine]

I was next door at Insane Car Audio a few weeks back when those guys told me that the boys next door were tuning one for a Turbo.

Glad to see it's coming along nicely!

I might drop in and pay them a visit tomorrow as I work in Castle Hill.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by grk

That's all well and good, but lets wait and see the full parts list. My concerns are regarding the reliability and how the entire car responds to FI for the next 12+ months.

Also, 160whp to 280whp isn't quite double, and the kit isn't "7k-9k" it's 10k installed.

Sure, let Dale and the rest of the developers of these kits get theirs, if you invest the time and effort to develop one of the first kits then you can price it as you please. The reason people are taken aback at the price is because the time and research is factored into the cost, early adopters fee. 10k in other car circles will get you a lot goddamn further in the power department, and thats what people are used to (I expect).

Honestly though, the kit looks sick and 10k for a drive in drive out solution is pretty fucking tempting. Ill probably go see him in 6 months eitherway

You show me an australian Dyno that got 160rwhp. You are mixing USA and AUS numbers there.

I got 108rwkw, mz21 got 106rwkw on stock cars on dyno dynamics dynos.

Can't just switch numbers depending on which point one wants to prove. Compare the before/after figures on the same dyno.

And yes, initially items are priced higher when they are new. This goes for nearly everything in life, whether it be this years Calvin Klein socks, versus last seasons designs, or a turbo kit for your 86/FR-S.

At any rate, I am liking seeing all these options pop up. There are no doubt pros and cons to each, and eventually there will be a middle ground found.

If I had unlimited budget, this is what I would like :P Twincharged!!

[grk]

Originally Posted by WTF

You show me an australian Dyno that got 160rwhp. You are mixing USA and AUS numbers there.

I got 108rwkw, mz21 got 106rwkw on stock cars on dyno dynamics dynos.

Can't just switch numbers depending on which point one wants to prove. Compare the before/after figures on the same dyno.

And yes, initially items are priced higher when they are new. This goes for nearly everything in life, whether it be this years Calvin Klein socks, versus last seasons designs, or a turbo kit for your 86/FR-S.

At any rate, I am liking seeing all these options pop up. There are no doubt pros and cons to each, and eventually there will be a middle ground found.

If I had unlimited budget, this is what I would like :P Twincharged!!

Yep, good point, didn't realize I'd switch them around. That really is a double in power

Yeah I think we agree on this topic, kit looks great and I'm happy to see somebody local to me offering this option.

This is getting offtopic, but if I had an unlimited budget I'd put a 20B in there

[Coheed]

Let's just chock up the difference in output to the fact that AUS horses are much stronger than US horses, and it takes fewer of them to make the car faster :P.

I'm pretty sure they could get great output utilizing the factory computer, the use of the Haltech perplexes me. Are there benefits to the Haltech unit?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Coheed

Let's just chock up the difference in output to the fact that AUS horses are much stronger than US horses, and it takes fewer of them to make the car faster :P.

I'm pretty sure they could get great output utilizing the factory computer, the use of the Haltech perplexes me. Are there benefits to the Haltech unit?

The haltech can do flex fuel sensor - meaning that it can adjust the tune based on the ethanol content.

I personally am going EcuTek for the sake of not needing to rewire the car, however it will be limited until the following options are (hopefully) available:

* Flex Fuel sensor
* Boost control