6MT vs Paddle shiftting Auto

[serialk11r]

Do we really need a list? I think a list of to dos while driving ANY car is easier:
Drive.

[dalli]

i dont know!!!

Only time i drive manual is.... when im in my foreign country with little traffic and all i do is DRIVE.

Any rules for traffic and civilized() driving? XD

All i do is shift up and down. (I like to lift weights up and put them down)(lol <<it reminded me of that)

Also dip it into neutral when coming to a stop( at a light)

shift up around 3k~4k rpm for fuel economy

When u show off: go red line!!!(close to it)

(yesterday I asked my dad about a manual in the city.... he was like whats so hard about it? he had pokerface too lool)( we had the convo wen we were in traffic in Manhattan while bums be hitting the brake every 1 second) ( In america has he a auto camry hybrid)

so yeah... Im def gona grab the Manual now after my convo with dad

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think a regular transmission would be cheaper and lighter so thats my choice but i dont understand all this hating on technology. sports cars are made to go fast so when cars have a dct thats faster than a manual i think its better. we arent hating on fuel injection or valve timing or stickier tires or even synthetic fluids.

why would you want to take your hands off the wheel more than you have to?

none of those detract from the driver being the controller of the car, not "wee, a mutual control friendship Mr. Car!"

I'll reword you last sentence.

why would you want your sports car to drive you more than you drive it?

[xantonin]

Manual.

That is all.

[El_STiG]

I'm all for the 6spd MT. It's what I have now. Had an auto once. Worst buying dicision ever. Lol

[Cogito8888]

Manual must be, i don't car if flappy paddels are faster, they can't match the sensation of working the clutch and shifter, and doing heel toe. Has to have a man pedal

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

none of those detract from the driver being the controller of the car, not "wee, a mutual control friendship Mr. Car!"

I'll reword you last sentence.

why would you want your sports car to drive you more than you drive it?

valid points but its a slippery slope when talking about control. vvt, choose the cam manually. power to each wheel, let me decide. my point is that we are reaching a point where power and feel are not the same. they can design transmissions to shift better than we can at the perfect time, why not?

i dont disagree with you but im saying that we shouldnt be soo closed minded to progress. seriously if an at is good enough for f1 drivers...

[[es vi: eks]]

Im differently kean for 6spd.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by fatoni

valid points but its a slippery slope when talking about control. vvt, choose the cam manually. power to each wheel, let me decide. my point is that we are reaching a point where power and feel are not the same. they can design transmissions to shift better than we can at the perfect time, why not?

i dont disagree with you but im saying that we shouldnt be soo closed minded to progress. seriously if an at is good enough for f1 drivers...

People talk about driver control, but that's not really the right choice of words; It's matter of driver involvement. In a dedicated race/hdpe car, where all that matters is your lap time, driver involvement is bad - it's an unneeded distraction. But there are no lap times on the street, and unless you're a diehard drag racer saving 0.05 seconds per shift is not really all that important. What matters is how much we enjoy the experience of driving. Naturally that's a subjective thing, and what's right for some is not right for others. Some people like to be more involved, to have driving require more of their attention and skill. This does not mean that they need to be in control of every aspect of their car. Some people don't want to be involved, they just want to get from point A to point B with a minimum of effort. Some don't really mind either way.

People who don't like the idea of tiptronic, DSG, or even automated manual transmissions aren't closed minded or technophobic. They just want to be more involved - to have driving fast be a bit of a challenge that rewards a skillful driver. Hating traditional automatic transmissions, however, is about involvement and control. Driving an unpredictable car is not fun.


PS. If it was good enough for Ayrton Senna... :happy0180:

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[Zaku]

This is probably an invalid argument because it's not the FR-S but then again this thread is all about feel and speculation. Since it's f1 feel auto we're going with a DCT example.

People and go on and on and on about how great it feels and the driver involvement. Let's all agree that a Porsche 911 turbo is the halo of driver involvement car. It's a driver car. Haha awesome I love that car it's great.

But is it's Slower than a Nissan GTR around the ring one of the biggest factor is that DCT gearbox. They don't even use Manual in F1 anymore, In fact they haven't used manual since 20 years ago.

let take a look at another sport MotoGP doesn't get anymore involving than that manually operating race bike. Nope Honda is dominating with a zero shift auto gear box. wow 8 and a bit faster than a Ducati's box.

Go on and on about how involving a Manual is if you want. Simple fact of the matter is your behind, your slower, you didn't Win.

I win and I'm having fun winning.

Or is it not fun winning?


Also you can hate on the people who get auto if you like but, it will be them who drive the car's sale. <5% will want a track version <25% will want a Manual DD >50% will want an automatic car that just looks good, is good on MPG.

You better thank those people. it's gonna be because of them that this car will be a success and keep it going another generation and make it so that other manufacturers. Follow on.

BUt again we don't even know what Box is in a FR-S.... if it's a normal crap box like a IS250 then hell get a manual save yourself the headache.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Zaku

People and go on and on and on about how great it feels and the driver involvement. Let's all agree that a Porsche 911 turbo is the halo of driver involvement car. It's a driver car. Haha awesome I love that car it's great.

But is it's Slower than a Nissan GTR around the ring one of the biggest factor is that DCT gearbox. They don't even use Manual in F1 anymore, In fact they haven't used manual since 20 years ago.

Bla. The 911 Turbo is just that. The 911 GT2 RS or 911 GT3 RS, now those are drivers cars.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Go on and on about how involving a Manual is if you want. Simple fact of the matter is your behind, your slower, you didn't Win.

Originally Posted by old greg

In a dedicated race/hdpe car, where all that matters is your lap time, driver involvement is bad - it's an unneeded distraction. But there are no lap times on the street, and unless you're a diehard drag racer saving 0.05 seconds per shift is not really all that important. What matters is how much we enjoy the experience of driving.

Go fast and have fun if you want, I'll be going a little bit slower also having fun. It isn't a race.

[lsxiong]

Originally Posted by Zaku

This is probably an invalid argument because it's not the FR-S but then again this thread is all about feel and speculation. Since it's f1 feel auto we're going with a DCT example.

People and go on and on and on about how great it feels and the driver involvement. Let's all agree that a Porsche 911 turbo is the halo of driver involvement car. It's a driver car. Haha awesome I love that car it's great.

But is it's Slower than a Nissan GTR around the ring one of the biggest factor is that DCT gearbox. They don't even use Manual in F1 anymore, In fact they haven't used manual since 20 years ago.

let take a look at another sport MotoGP doesn't get anymore involving than that manually operating race bike. Nope Honda is dominating with a zero shift auto gear box. wow 8 and a bit faster than a Ducati's box.

Go on and on about how involving a Manual is if you want. Simple fact of the matter is your behind, your slower, you didn't Win.

I win and I'm having fun winning.

Or is it not fun winning?


Also you can hate on the people who get auto if you like but, it will be them who drive the car's sale. <5% will want a track version <25% will want a Manual DD >50% will want an automatic car that just looks good, is good on MPG.

You better thank those people. it's gonna be because of them that this car will be a success and keep it going another generation and make it so that other manufacturers. Follow on.

BUt again we don't even know what Box is in a FR-S.... if it's a normal crap box like a IS250 then hell get a manual save yourself the headache.

DCT is like playing a game with cheat code permanently on. A lot of us would rather play it normally which is funner. So what if you can beat the game faster, I'm having way more fun.

[Zaku]

Again Like fatoni mentioned we don't disagree with you but, you shouldnt be so close minded to progress. And lol yeah so then every formula 1, team is cheating, every manufactured with dct is cheating. Come on LOL

Ferrari is cheating so is Porsche oh Lexus and Nissan too.