Guessing Scion FR-S specs??

[old greg]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Idk about everyone else, but I have never seen girls drive S2Ks or Miatas. Maybe a few Celicas, but at best 50/50.

I think it's because sports cars just aren't as cool as the used to be. Back in the day chicks drove n/a eclipses etc. because sporty cars were fashionable, now they want Hybrids. Present female company excluded.

[Andrea Cristiano]

to me its all about power to weight ratio like a lotus more so than HP numbers

[RedruM]

Hmm am I the only one that wants the 2GR-FE V6 from the (my) Camry / Lotus Evora in this car?

I love this engine and I've always wanted it in a smaller sportier car, but... The Camry body in SE V6 form was the best available and it still manages 5.7 seconds in a near full sized sedan with everyday tires and regular fuel. It also returns mileage equivalent to the Civic SI, very impressive considering this V6 produces 270 hp and 250 torque.

Anyways I'm hoping for a V6 model in the lineup but chances are this car will stay a 4 banger. My opinion... let Scion and Subaru keep the subie 4 banger, make a Toyota version the Supra equivalent with a near 300hp 2GR-FE naturally aspirated V6 or 300-400ish turbocharged. Hell they have plenty of body styles to choose from (MK1 FTW). At least Toyota will have a true sports car/super car in the lineup again and something in between the entry sports Scion FR-S and the astronomical Lexus LF-A.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by RedruM

Hmm am I the only one that wants the 2GR-FE V6 from the (my) Camry / Lotus Evora in this car?

Yes.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Yes.

Hahaha

[Kage]

I would damn near sell my soul for this car to have the 2gr v6...or a new engine with the same power output.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Kage

I would damn near sell my soul for this car to have the 2gr v6...or a new engine with the same power output.

Join the waiting line of other people waiting for a full-sized high power sports car from Toyota.

This car, however, is not filling that role.

[RedruM]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Join the waiting line of other people waiting for a full-sized high power sports car from Toyota.

This car, however, is not filling that role.

It could, but yes it probably won't... The whole lightweight, low center of gravity emphasis with its boxer engine are too much of a focal point... Heres the solution... Make a new Toyota based on this same platform, using an existing Toyota engine (2GR-FE). Tell me there wouldn't be a market for this combination...

I personally don't like buying a Toyota with the heart of a Subaru. The 2GR-FE is an amazing engine and is to me the most underrated mainstream engine built today. Its good enough for a similar sports car the Lotus Evora, and now Toyota has the perfect platform to take advantage of this engine themselves...

Sure probably not going to happen, but hey your not going to stop me from hoping... I honestly think this would be a very good idea for Toyota.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by RedruM

It could, but yes it probably won't... The whole lightweight, low center of gravity emphasis with its boxer engine are too much of a focal point... Heres the solution... Make a new Toyota based on this same platform, using an existing Toyota engine (2GR-FE). Tell me there wouldn't be a market for this combination...

I personally don't like buying a Toyota with the heart of a Subaru.

First part: I actually wholeheartedly expect to see at least a few other sports models from Toyota be released based on this RWD platform. I don't think that's anywhere near off the table for discussion.

Second Part: I totally agree...its painful really, but what can you do?

[WingsofWar]

FYI fellas, sometimes to achieve greater economy would increase performance. For the boxer engine, better thermal effiency of the intake charge warrants better economy and power (not just talking about intake). A 40k volt rating of distributerless independent coilpacks warrent better economy and power.

Subaru also tends to rich up their factory ECU maps for the sake of increasing the longevity of the engine. This kills power to a certain degree, but for most owners its a worthy trade off.

Since this is a toyota project, the basic blueprint of the boxer engine is shared, but at the heart, this is not a subaru engine.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

FYI fellas, sometimes to achieve greater economy would increase performance. For the boxer engine, better thermal effiency of the intake charge warrants better economy and power (not just talking about intake). A 40k volt rating of distributerless independent coilpacks warrent better economy and power.

Subaru also tends to rich up their factory ECU maps for the sake of increasing the longevity of the engine. This kills power to a certain degree, but for most owners its a worthy trade off.

Since this is a toyota project, the basic blueprint of the boxer engine is shared, but at the heart, this is not a subaru engine.

what about boxers make them more efficient thermally?

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by fatoni

what about boxers make them more efficient thermally?

I never said boxers were efficient thermally...Boxer engines intake charge suffers from heat soak. So for example, a phonemic spacer disconnecting the intake manifold from the block would help with with thermal efficiency, thus improving intake temps, improving economy, improving performance.

[Dimman]

Making this thing 2000lbs would help every thing. Economy, speed, handling, braking...

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Making this thing 2000lbs would help every thing. Economy, speed, handling, braking...

the things we care about. it would be detrimental to ride quality, safety and interior noise. i wish it would be about a ton though