SRT FR-S/BRZ High Flow Intake System R&D

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

You mentioned plans to utilize the factory air snorkel with those most recent pics (which are sexy as hell by the way) but I remember in AIRAID's thread reading that the opening at the end of that snorkel housed inside the bumper is significantly smaller than the opening into the bumper itself. They stated that removing the snorkel resulted in 20% better flow.

Here's the quote. What are your thoughts on this?

You will have to just wait a few more days to see our design on the heatshield. We have taken consideration that the factory snorkel is kind of restrictive and have taken appropriate measures to make sure our intake will have an adequate supply of air for the engine to breath with no restrictions.

Originally Posted by Superhatch

In general Im really curious to see how much hp a non-ECU-needing intake makes once you have a tune on it.

X intake w/o tune = 4hp.

Y intake which needs a tune = 8hp.

Would X intake make 8hp with a tune anyways, and if so in the end will you just be better off buying the non-ECU-needing intake so you can get gains without having to spend an extra $500-1000? Time will tell on this, but the hp/$ factor for in intake that also needs a piggyback ECU to be installed seems like it would be really, really low...

...unless it makes a shit ton of power. I'm really looking forward to the dyno results on this intake.

There will be more clarifications on the piggyback ecu that will be supplied with our intake system as standard part of the intake system. You will NOT need to spend an extra $500-$1000 in any other additional tuning solution.

[Pscylo]

Now that I have a slow point at work.

I apologize for the obvious flaw in my initial approach, while simply expressing my personal opinion, being emotionally detached; I failed to take a moment to consider how someone else might interpret the comments, as I was in the middle of 4 different tasks.

I also never said it wouldn't work or be effective, I just stated that there are inefficiencies to the design, but honestly...those are present in every design I have seen so far.

A big issue with this setup, aside from turbulence, however minor inside the air box, is where the air will be coming from. This engine bay runs very hot. Currently I live in Phoenix, lately it has been 115ish during the days, which puts the engine bay at or over 200 at times, depending on the circumstances. The majority of the air pulled into this setup would be from that engine bay, 60-80 degrees warmer over all than the air outside.

Obviously, without hands on I can't make an informed desicion, just the educated s.w.a.g. Thus, I originally just threw my opinion up there.

I am an enthusiast, just like everyone else here. I want the community to have access to the best possible setups for our cars. If I see an issue, I will call it like I see it, as most of us will. If I was still back east where my shop is, I would have put something together, but I am not. I had to hastily move for a job, and leave it all behind.

[Symbiont]

Originally Posted by Pscylo

Now that I have a slow point at work.

I apologize for the obvious flaw in my initial approach, while simply expressing my personal opinion, being emotionally detached; I failed to take a moment to consider how someone else might interpret the comments, as I was in the middle of 4 different tasks.

I also never said it wouldn't work or be effective, I just stated that there are inefficiencies to the design, but honestly...those are present in every design I have seen so far.

A big issue with this setup, aside from turbulence, however minor inside the air box, is where the air will be coming from. This engine bay runs very hot. Currently I live in Phoenix, lately it has been 115ish during the days, which puts the engine bay at or over 200 at times, depending on the circumstances. The majority of the air pulled into this setup would be from that engine bay, 60-80 degrees warmer over all than the air outside.

Obviously, without hands on I can't make an informed desicion, just the educated s.w.a.g. Thus, I originally just threw my opinion up there.

I am an enthusiast, just like everyone else here. I want the community to have access to the best possible setups for our cars. If I see an issue, I will call it like I see it, as most of us will. If I was still back east where my shop is, I would have put something together, but I am not. I had to hastily move for a job, and leave it all behind.

That's great, but every test on this car has shown that the engine is making more power with hotter air, rather than a standard CAI.

Plus, the air inside the engine bay in front of the engine is completely equalized with the air in front of the car at around 5mph, per the research I've seen on this car. They aren't going to run into any issues pulling air from where they are.

[Pscylo]

Brought it up because I notice a difference driving in the middle of the night when its only 100 outside as opposed to at 5pm when its 116.

[WolfsFang]

if this makes any type of power and if the pricing is right, it shall be in my car.

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by Swift Racing Technologies

There will be more clarifications on the piggyback ecu that will be supplied with our intake system as standard part of the intake system. You will NOT need to spend an extra $500-$1000 in any other additional tuning solution.

Ahh....didn't realized this was a supplied piggyback. In for more details.

Also, thanks for answering questions so late into the night.

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by Pscylo

Now that I have a slow point at work.

I apologize for the obvious flaw in my initial approach, while simply expressing my personal opinion, being emotionally detached; I failed to take a moment to consider how someone else might interpret the comments, as I was in the middle of 4 different tasks.

I also never said it wouldn't work or be effective, I just stated that there are inefficiencies to the design, but honestly...those are present in every design I have seen so far.

A big issue with this setup, aside from turbulence, however minor inside the air box, is where the air will be coming from. This engine bay runs very hot. Currently I live in Phoenix, lately it has been 115ish during the days, which puts the engine bay at or over 200 at times, depending on the circumstances. The majority of the air pulled into this setup would be from that engine bay, 60-80 degrees warmer over all than the air outside.

Obviously, without hands on I can't make an informed desicion, just the educated s.w.a.g. Thus, I originally just threw my opinion up there.

I am an enthusiast, just like everyone else here. I want the community to have access to the best possible setups for our cars. If I see an issue, I will call it like I see it, as most of us will. If I was still back east where my shop is, I would have put something together, but I am not. I had to hastily move for a job, and leave it all behind.

You could have said that the first go around. However, you missed the point that this is still in the R&D phase. In our post above you did read that the system will have a heat shield around the filter and will be getting most of its air from the outside factory location using the factory snorkel. Heat is going to be a non issue.

For people asking about heat soak issues with the aluminum air box: ask yourself this when you are cruising at a speed as low as 1500 RPM the engine might be producing about 20HP meaning it will be consuming roughly about 2lbs/min of air, change to volume, we get 5788 gallons/min or roughly 774 cubic feet/min. Yes that is a lot of volume getting sucked down by the engine every minute, ok, let's convert to seconds: 96.5gal/sec or 12.9 cu.ft/sec. That's a lot of air, the moral of the story, even during the lightest load driving conditions the air traveling through the system will NOT have enough time to get heat soaked. Now imagine how much air is passing through the engine at full load, yup A LOT.

Well been a very long day today, good night everyone.

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Ahh....didn't realized this was a supplied piggyback. In for more details.

Also, thanks for answering questions so late into the night.

Also interested in hearing more about this, I have been leaning towards hitting the Visconti group buy since my wheels are a couple months away but this may change that decision too.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Swift Racing Technologies

There will be more clarifications on the piggyback ecu that will be supplied with our intake system as standard part of the intake system.

Given the modular tuning options with this car how will this piggyback for the your intake system cope with your header back exhaust system? My interpretation is the intake requires a piggyback while the the exhaust does not. What happens when you combine the 2?

(Seriously, that window looks awesome. Sort of peering into the secret inner mechanicals)

[civicdrivr]

Will the piggy back be user adjustable or is it basically a one shot tune specifically for this intake?

[yotaracer6]

Seems like you guys got it together at swift racing. Can't wait for my header back exhaust from you guys to get here! This is next on my list. Let me know when I can order...

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Given the modular tuning options with this car how will this piggyback for the your intake system cope with your header back exhaust system? My interpretation is the intake requires a piggyback while the the exhaust does not. What happens when you combine the 2?

(Seriously, that window looks awesome. Sort of peering into the secret inner mechanicals)

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

Will the piggy back be user adjustable or is it basically a one shot tune specifically for this intake?

We will have more info on the piggyback soon. At the moment it is not user adjustable but that could change depending on demand. We usually will have multiple tuned options for the piggyback depending on the bolt on mods.

[zex]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Given the modular tuning options with this car how will this piggyback for the your intake system cope with your header back exhaust system? My interpretation is the intake requires a piggyback while the the exhaust does not. What happens when you combine the 2?

(Seriously, that window looks awesome. Sort of peering into the secret inner mechanicals)

Hmm I am also interested in this..
intake w/ piggyback sounds tempting .. was pretty much set with Agency Power exhaust but this could turn my head towards the SRT exhaust..

[Ricepuddin]

Originally Posted by Symbiont

That's great, but every test on this car has shown that the engine is making more power with hotter air, rather than a standard CAI.

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Again what test? By the way I asked you this on another thread and never got an answer.

Again I'm not saying your wrong, but conventional wisdom does. So I'd like to see these test you speak of, since I can't seem to find any of them on this forum.

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