has this happened to anybody else

[eriktherod]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Never had anyone try to race me yet. Although in my Civic Si everyone tried to race me, and I just got good at ignoring those people...maybe I just don't notice them.

Anyone who thinks their FR-S isn't a Scion is lying to themselves...but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.

As a former Si owner myself, I totally agree with you. Maybe it was the louder exhaust.. or "just another Civic" mentality. Ironically, the Si would be faster than the FR-S in a straight line (not stock for stock, after mods). I think it's also because I don't feel like the FR-S has to prove anything. It just looks good going whatever speed it's going, whether it's 10mph or 55mph.

For your second comment, I have to disagree. While the "FR-S" trim is a "Scion" thing, at the end of the day it's a Toyota/Subaru with options custom picked from the 86 designated as the FR-S for USDM. This is not a case where the JDM/EDM version of the car are drastically different performance-wise, they're identical there.

I've seen tons of people rebadge Acuras (namely Integras, RSX, and NSX) with JDM Honda badges because simply "Acura" does not exist. I would not consider them "posers".

There's nothing wrong with manufacturer pride and I plan to rebadge my FR-S as Toyota and already removed the 'FR-S' badge. Yes, I will replace the wheel caps and key plastic too. Eventually I'll get the floor/trunk mats as Toyota and yes, I don't care about the steering wheel for a while.

Let's be real here though: the twins would have never existed without Toyota. Subaru would have never created this type of car. A naturally-aspirated RWD sports car from... Subaru? Toyota's chief engineer, Tada-san, had to do a lot of convincing to even get a test car built. After it ran well, the Subaru guys got interested. That being said, Subaru did help with parts and fabrication. I honestly think that Toyota would have attempted to make the car either way, with or without Subaru's help. That being said, Subaru's help is definitely appreciated as I think we can all agree it's a wonderful car because of their partnership. The point I am making here is I am tired of people calling it a "Subaru" as if Toyota just stamped their name on it and did zero R&D, engineering, and testing.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Not the same comparison.



Really? I did not know that. But again, not a fair comparison. Subaru may "assemble" the Camry but they had nothing to do with it from the development or engineering side. Or did they?

In the case of the twins, Subaru entirely engineered it except for the key fob, the direct injection, and the sheet metal you look at when one drives by. Everything else is Subaru developed, Subaru designed, and Subaru assembled. That makes the car Subaru from start to finish.

Someone tried to correct that comment a while back by saying Toyota was there throughout the entire development cycle...which in my eyes means nothing more than them shaking or nodding their head from each attempt Subaru made with the part in question.

Come on Hawaiian, even you know the examples you provided aren't comparable to what we are sematicizing about.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6919

I find it hard to believe that many people just "nodded" and had 0 input. Lets also not forget that toyota owns more of FHI than any other shareholder and that makes them the majority owner.

They also put up the majority of the money for the project.

I think it's safe to say the cars belong to both companies and the gt-86 is a toyota, the FR-S is a Scion, and the BRZ is a subaru. That's why branding exists.

If you want closer comparisons everything in trader joes is from another manufacturer, but is branded trader joes.

[TonyJZX]

it has a toyota gearbox and diff

i find it strange people want to drag the 86

dont they know a Camry or Impala V6 will waste it? its not about drags

[eriktherod]

I agree the car was definitely not designed as a drag car, it's all about momentum and keeping it.

However, I will also add that I have been quite delighted with the stock performance of the car in a straight line. I actually expected it to do worse than it does! May be one of the advantages in the manual!

[PoRco]

I've had my car for only 4 days and people have been trying to race me all the time.

They try to bait me into a race. It just makes me laugh.

[Reflex]

I've had probably nearly a dozen people try to race me since I got my car back in early June. Most of the time it was whatever, but I do recall one specific incidence where a riced out old civic wanted to race me. As soon as the light turned green, he was off, and 4 seconds later, he nearly rear ended someone that didn't expect anyone going that fast after a traffic light. While he was slowed by that car, I passed him. lol.

[cRazy604]

Would be funny if that stuff did happen but so far nobody has done that to me yet. Ive gotten less attention than ive expected

[Kenta]

I was just cruising around and talking with my dad and an infiniti g37 coupe pulled up next to us at a red light. on green he basically floored it. guess he expected me to race lol.

[Napoleon]

I was speeding more than usual today and a Toyota Venza, of all cars, took that as cue that I am racing him. I eventually slowed down and stayed in the far right lane so they could leave me alone. Then, the Venza slowed down and stayed in the same lane as well ahead of me, with a commercial truck in between us. As I am casually changing lanes to pass the truck and got near the Venza, he sped up again and was gone. Finally, he is out of sight and I can drive in peace. Apparently he was observing my position on the road and waiting for me. Those Venzas sure are fast.

[boonFRS]

Well finally had my encounters today while taking my son to school. On the way there I had a semi-riced out ford focus hatchback flooring it at a stoplight, then on the way home I had a guy in a 350z convertible flooring it at the same stop light. Smh. He reminded me of the "TOP DOwN TOP DOWN" guy.

[tnt]

hahaha