Forza 4 - Scion FR-S Spec Series

[Flat Black VW]

Originally Posted by warman

I don't want to steal your tuning setup from you, but if we could come up with a base tune so people are at least close to the same when they start off, and then they can adjust to fit their driving style that would probably be good.

I agree with this purely for things like the trans. I have my own preferences for braking, camber, toe, ride height, A few specifics, but I think it would help to have a base tune for everyone and then we can modify certain things after that. That way if someone has no idea how to tune the car they wont be left behind right from the start just due to that fact.

*By tune I only mean the setting is the tuning menu, NOT changing parts. (I Re-read what I typed and realized it may be taken differently than what I meant.)

[bneale]

Originally Posted by warman

I don't want to steal your tuning setup from you, but if we could come up with a base tune so people are at least close to the same when they start off, and then they can adjust to fit their driving style that would probably be good.

Don't worry, its not exactly "stealing" from me if i'm handing it out.

In the end I want to try and make this race competitive for everyone. So if it means helping you guys get better and handing out my setup, I will do so for sure.

I can also explain to you how to adjust your setup if you wish. But you will need to help me by explaining what the car is doing. The better you can explain it, the more info I have to help you. Sometimes figuring out what the car is doing is the hardest part.

bneale

[warman]

Originally Posted by bneale

Don't worry, its not exactly "stealing" from me if i'm handing it out.

In the end I want to try and make this race competitive for everyone. So if it means helping you guys get better and handing out my setup, I will do so for sure.

I can also explain to you how to adjust your setup if you wish. But you will need to help me by explaining what the car is doing. The better you can explain it, the more info I have to help you. Sometimes figuring out what the car is doing is the hardest part.

bneale

I would definitely appreciate the help. Are you going to put the tune on the marketplace or just post it here?

I'll do my best to explain what the car does from there, but I'm not sure how much of it would be due to user error and how much would be the car actually having issues.

Is it worth it to try to drive without ABS? I know I probably need to be more subtle with my braking/throttle inputs so maybe it would help me learn that. I always have problems with steering too, I never know how much to use the joystick.

[Snoopyalien24]

Finally got her



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[636]

What do you do for Camber Neale? I've got my springs and such set at a rate where I enjoy the oversteer/understeer, but I haven't touched camber/toe/caster and all that.

[bneale]

Originally Posted by warman

I would definitely appreciate the help. Are you going to put the tune on the marketplace or just post it here?

I'll do my best to explain what the car does from there, but I'm not sure how much of it would be due to user error and how much would be the car actually having issues.

Is it worth it to try to drive without ABS? I know I probably need to be more subtle with my braking/throttle inputs so maybe it would help me learn that. I always have problems with steering too, I never know how much to use the joystick.

My setup is still not 100% perfect. ComplainingJet (aka Dragonjet) was complaining about it last night and I know it it still need a little bit of work for corner out. I will post it when I have it working 100%.

Yes, if you learn to run with ABS off, you have a HUGE advantange over everyone else. ABS is a major crutch with racing. If you learn to modify your brake pressure into a corner, you can go deeper and stop faster then what you can do with ABS turned on. I didn't think it would make a huge advantage but it really does.

Same goes for racing with manual and clutch turned on. You get a huge advantage from running this system. Most people have issues working the A button and X/B buttons for shifting. I did until I modified my contoller layout.

I'm using a layout now which is hands down the best layout for using clutch. I can explain if you guys really want to try using it. It will take you about 1 hour to fully adjust though.

bneale

[bneale]

Originally Posted by 636

What do you do for Camber Neale? I've got my springs and such set at a rate where I enjoy the oversteer/understeer, but I haven't touched camber/toe/caster and all that.

I generally set my caster angle at 5.5 and leave it there. 5.5 Caster allows you to run less extreme Camber settings because it already gives you quite a bit of negitive camber at 5.5 caster. So I suggest you set it to 5.5 and leave it.

I normally start with Camber set to 0.9 for front and 0.6 for rear. Then as I'm racing, I use the telemetry to check the temps accross each one of my tires. What I want to see is about a 10 or 15 degree difference between the outside and inside of the tires max.

So what I do is start with my general settings and adjust as needed. If the heat is fairly even accross the tires, I'll add a little more camber. I think right now I'm running -1.1 on the front tires and -0.8 on the rear.

Adding more Camber in general will make the car more responsive for the entire corner. Front camber helps turn in, rear camber helps more rotation for turn out. If you use my settings, you may need to adjust your spring rates accordingly.

For toe, I generally try not too mess with it too much. I set my rear toe to -0.3 for a bit more stability and 0.3 for more turn in on the front. Some cars don't need any toe at all though.

Keep asking questions guys! I can see you guys are learning already.

bneale

[Flat Black VW]

What controller layout are you using for the manual w/clutch? I have been running manual forever in this game but every time I switch to w/clutch the layout doesn't allow me to heel-toe as I would with a car and when trying to downshift into a corner it really gives me problems.

The set-up it gives me is
X- Downshift
B- Upshift
LB- Clutch
LT- Brake
RT- Gas

This forces me to use my left index finger for either Brake OR Clutch, unless I contort my finger at an angle which usually subsequently causes me to not press the brake as firm causing me to come into a corner too hot.
I have thought about trying to use the RB as my clutch but then I think I may run into a similar problem with rev-matching while trying to heel-toe.

[Cheddar]

How about you just put a tune on the marketplace for free and post the name here. Like that we all have the exact same set up.

[Liquidsnake]

Originally Posted by bneale

This is not the thread to ask this question. Please post elsewhere.

This thread is about a spec series FR-S. Not somewhere to ask tuning advice.

If you want to join, your more then welcome though.

bneale

Sorry bro. Jesus.......

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by bneale

rules

It sounds like you're talking about a pro and amateur division. Which would be running two different groups at the same time, like the multi class races, except we're running the same class. I don't know if that's possible to setup ingame, and how would the divisions be decided? For example, Dragon was saying I'm stuck between the two.

[636]

Originally Posted by Flat Black VW

What controller layout are you using for the manual w/clutch? I have been running manual forever in this game but every time I switch to w/clutch the layout doesn't allow me to heel-toe as I would with a car and when trying to downshift into a corner it really gives me problems.

The set-up it gives me is
X- Downshift
B- Upshift
LB- Clutch
LT- Brake
RT- Gas

This forces me to use my left index finger for either Brake OR Clutch, unless I contort my finger at an angle which usually subsequently causes me to not press the brake as firm causing me to come into a corner too hot.
I have thought about trying to use the RB as my clutch but then I think I may run into a similar problem with rev-matching while trying to heel-toe.

I run that setup, but heel toeing is still very possible. Train yourself to use two fingers on the left side of the controller. Clutch with your index, and brake with your middle finger, it's weird at first, but you'll learn fast with it.

[Flat Black VW]

Originally Posted by 636

I run that setup, but heel toeing is still very possible. Train yourself to use two fingers on the left side of the controller. Clutch with your index, and brake with your middle finger, it's weird at first, but you'll learn fast with it.

Yeah I tried with that some but am so used to braking with my index. Guess ill just have to play with it more

[bneale]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

It sounds like you're talking about a pro and amateur division. Which would be running two different groups at the same time, like the multi class races, except we're running the same class. I don't know if that's possible to setup ingame, and how would the divisions be decided? For example, Dragon was saying I'm stuck between the two.

Basically your sort of correct. What I'm trying to do is give the new people (like yourself) more incentive to stick around and keep racing. As you can probably tell from last night, the regs like Dragonjet and I are pretty fast compared to the new guys. This happens all the time and typically people feel non-competitive and end up leaving.

Right now I have an idea for prize money which I will fit the bill myself. The idea is, best overall driver (as in the one with the most points at the end of the series) will be awarded 5 million Forza credits. The best novice/new driver will earn 3 million Forza credits. Total of 8 million to be awarded.

If one of the novices wins the entire thing, they would be awarded 8 million credits! How's that for incentive?

bneale