New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

You will have nothing and be happy

You already have nothing. You are already in extreme amount of debt because of corporate greed and wage theft. Everyone is in debt for their mortgage, car, education, and to feed consumerism with credit card debt, so no one owns anything except the rich, which want to keep getting richer. The masses that are addicted to consumerism are getting angrier and angrier and blaming either side or government, yet who is winning...the rich clearly keep getting richer. If you have nothing, it isn't going to be because someone took a percentage of your scraps; it is because all you got were scraps.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

They did by robbing/hoarding wages. If you were a median worker making $42k more per year ($92k vs $50k) then that 35% increase in property taxes wouldn't seem so bad, and you could retire a lot younger. And don't worry, prices for homes will likely drop, so your property taxes were only temporarily elevated.

Again, you seem to be blaming the government in an attribution error, while ignoring the situation of the times and having hindsight bias.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yZAot5UzLv4

I don't have a problem with them accelerating the adoption of renewables and moving our infrastructure and transportation to use renewables. Renewables are cheap and mean we will have economic security and self-reliance with energy independence.

corps caused inflation by not paying enough? you have got to be trolling.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

You already have nothing. You are already in extreme amount of debt because of corporate greed and wage theft. Everyone is in debt for their mortgage, car, education, and to feed consumerism with credit card debt, so no one owns anything except the rich, which want to keep getting richer. The masses that are addicted to consumerism are getting angrier and angrier and blaming either side or government, yet who is winning...the rich clearly keep getting richer. If you have nothing, it isn't going to be because someone took a percentage of your scraps; it is because all you got were scraps.

They will surely save us this time. Pay no attention to the net worth of these same individuals, it's those horrible corporations.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

corps caused inflation by not paying enough? you have got to be trolling.

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

12 trillion in new money injected into the economy had nothing to do with it.

got it.

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Inflation came from a change in supply and demand and corporate greed capitalizing on that opportunity. Wage inflation and increased costs were greatly overshadowed by corporate profits, which didn’t lead to investment, trickle down, but just CEO salary increases and stock buybacks.

Sure, whatever you and Karine Jean-Pierre say. He has the most diverse staff of any president, that must mean they are the best, and know the best for all of us. Bidenomics rock

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

12 trillion in new money injected into the economy had nothing to do with it.

got it.

There was a rapidly crashing GDP that could have led to a greater loss of confidence in the economy and a retraction of private investment. More companies would have had to file bankruptcy or would have failed completely. Without a government investment in infrastructure and stimulus to create investor confidence and revive the economy, we could have been sunken into a long term recession/depression. Instead, we recovered faster. If we didn't have the wave of corporate greed then we wouldn't have seen the level of inflation that we did.

‘We may be looking at the end of capitalism’: One of the world’s oldest and largest investment banks warns ‘Greedflation’ has gone too far

https://fortune.com/2023/04/05/end-o...orate-profits/

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Sure, whatever you and Karine Jean-Pierre say. He has the most diverse staff of any president, that must mean they are the best, and know the best for all of us. Bidenomics rock

[Lantanafrs2]

[Irace86.2.0]

Posted this in another thread. This makes the case that much stronger for lithium iron phosphate batteries.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

video - RZ450

I think this EV SUV will sell well with typical Lexus owners, and I think that is what Mark is missing. I don't think the vehicle needs the latest tech, the best battery or engines, the most range, or even more range. Part of the video Mark is praising the vehicle, and the other times he is holding it to the standards of other cars from the likes of Tesla/Lucid/Rimac/etc, even though he is not dropping names (it is obvious). In general, he wouldn't be any more excited to drive a Lexus ICE version of this car. If anything, the quiet, torquey and smooth powertrain and lower COG would be preferred to what he was lamenting was the hybrid 4 cylinder turbo powertrains. He is saying no from the perspective of a journalist who drives sports cars and who drives the latest tech, and in the EV space, the competition is fierce, yet he is missing the target audience, which is older more conservative types who buy a Lexus for its build quality, reliability, brand name, comfort, etc. These are people who probably own a Lexus SUV and are likely going to buy a Lexus SUV again, but now they have an EV option that mostly feels like a Lexus, but happens to be an EV.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think this EV SUV will sell well with typical Lexus owners, and I think that is what Mark is missing. I don't think the vehicle needs the latest tech, the best battery or engines, the most range, or even more range. Part of the video Mark is praising the vehicle, and the other times he is holding it to the standards of other cars from the likes of Tesla/Lucid/Rimac/etc, even though he is not dropping names (it is obvious). In general, he wouldn't be any more excited to drive a Lexus ICE version of this car. If anything, the quiet, torquey and smooth powertrain and lower COG would be preferred to what he was lamenting was the hybrid 4 cylinder turbo powertrains. He is saying no from the perspective of a journalist who drives sports cars and who drives the latest tech, and in the EV space, the competition is fierce, yet he is missing the target audience, which is older more conservative types who buy a Lexus for its build quality, reliability, brand name, comfort, etc. These are people who probably own a Lexus SUV and are likely going to buy a Lexus SUV again, but now they have an EV option that mostly feels like a Lexus, but happens to be an EV.

The general consensus with the Lexus RZ is that its a good Lexus, but a meh EV. Same as the other eTNGA offerings (Bz4X/Solterra). EV tech wise it seems to just be "good enough", which is probably all it needed to be. Otherwise you have to chase the latest Tesla tech and it costs money to do so. the latest Ioniq (which to be fair if you DONT get the topmost trim you get something a little more comparable to what the Toyota cars provide), the VW ID cars are pretty much known to be mostly bleh and comparable, and the Chevy Bolt (EV fanboys favorite "cheap" EV) has equally comparable specs.

The Toyota triplets seem to be better than the Leaf, and "better than the leaf" seems to be the bare minimum to get a passable EV out there, so i dont think they're as bad as its made out to be. you read about how people get one and end up liking it, i think its because...it doesnt feel like a rolling smartphone. It feels like a car that is powered by electricity.

Sure range and charging are the toyota triplets biggest drawbacks but EV fanboys seem to completely forget all about the "charge at home" or "the average driver only drives so many miles " EV positives when it comes to the Toyota cars.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The general consensus with the Lexus RZ is that its a good Lexus, but a meh EV. Same as the other eTNGA offerings (Bz4X/Solterra). EV tech wise it seems to just be "good enough", which is probably all it needed to be. Otherwise you have to chase the latest Tesla tech and it costs money to do so. the latest Ioniq (which to be fair if you DONT get the topmost trim you get something a little more comparable to what the Toyota cars provide), the VW ID cars are pretty much known to be mostly bleh and comparable, and the Chevy Bolt (EV fanboys favorite "cheap" EV) has equally comparable specs.

The Toyota triplets seem to be better than the Leaf, and "better than the leaf" seems to be the bare minimum to get a passable EV out there, so i dont think they're as bad as its made out to be. you read about how people get one and end up liking it, i think its because...it doesnt feel like a rolling smartphone. It feels like a car that is powered by electricity.

Sure range and charging are the toyota triplets biggest drawbacks but EV fanboys seem to completely forget all about the "charge at home" or "the average driver only drives so many miles " EV positives when it comes to the Toyota cars.

While lots of people want and like Tesla or an EV that looks like an EV, there are many people who just want something that looks like an ICE vehicle and doesn't scream EV or doesn't have the Tesla ethos of design. This looks more EV than most Lexus vehicles because it doesn't need a grill, and not having a grill is better for aerodynamics, but besides that, this is the EV for someone who just wants something that looks like a typical Lexus.

[Dadhawk]

I'm agreeing with @Irace86.2.0 on this one.

Ultimately, just like with ICE, there needs to be a full range of EVs if they are every going to fully succeed. That means not every version is going to look like the cabin of the Starship Enterprise (or your desk at work if you want a Tesla).

Powering my next vehicle with electrons doesn't matter to me as much as the vehicle meets the criteria I want. That's why I am #1 at my local Cadillac dealership for a LYRIQ. If they built the exact car with the twin turbo V6 in the CT5-V, I'd buy that instead. I think the state of charging in the areas I drive long distance is good enough now, that electrons or gas doesn't matter as much.

[WolfpackS2k]

Perhaps this is just a recall, or a request to summarize, but at this point in time, in the EV industry, why would anyone pick a Tesla over any other EV? And I'm talking about your ho hum boring daily commuter.

The obvious answer is range (and depending on many factors, possibly price). What's this "Tesla tech" being referenced? Their self driving aids are nothing special, and IMO only attractive to people that enjoy placing their life into the hands of a computer.

Their build quality inside and out is subpar. Their paint is the worst in the industry. To me, all I can come up with is "range" and their charging network (but to me that's becoming irrelevant since other brands can utilize it now).