New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

It's all about control

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Irace86.2.0 Born and raised in CA by chance?

The world is not running out of oil (or natural gas), and climate change is just part of justifying the agenda, and nothing more. I'm sure you feel I'm an idiot, and that has been the plan all along.

Maybe it will play out in our lifetime to prove one of us correct and the other wrong, maybe not, but I'm not going to go on arguing about it with one who has clearly drank the Kool Aid.

That is all I am going to say. You have your opinion, and I have mine. To others reading this, for every point there are valid counterpoints out there. Look for the ones that are suppressed, and not covered by the mainstream media if you are looking for truths.

I just pray enough people wake up soon enough to avert the disaster (I beleive) we are headed for. I have little hope, but maybe..

P.S. - Your mocking of Lantanafrs2 is no different than CNN, MSN, the Democratic Party and all the other agenda pushing organizations, shame those who don't comply..

You can be proud that you are a good little soldier.

Yep.

There is all different types of KoolAid to drink. You're under the impression that you haven't drank any KoolAid. That isn't surprising. The world has 47 years of proven oil reserves of conventional oil at current usage rates without a change in rates or including unconventional reserves. We aren't finding more conventional oil in any significant volume to replace what we are taking such that we will be left with only unconventional reserves. Unconventional oil/shale is about three times more expensive to produce. Part of this is because the wells extract only a fraction of what conventional oils can extract, and they dry up within a year, which means more drilling. The cost to protect the water table from fracking is also expensive. It is possible that the end of conventional oil could lead to a drop and stable supply of unconventional oil, but even then, this would probably still make the inflation adjusted cost of gasoline being more expensive. What's more, based on extraction rates and rising costs to extract at more and more difficult places, at best we would see oil for another 100 years beyond the 50 years, assuming no change in demand. Demand is going to rise with emerging economies in Asia, Africa and South America growing in population and in consumption.

If you have evidence to the contrary then I'd love to see it. If you have a point to argue then I'd love to hear it, but what I hear isn't anything substantial. Just don't believe mainstream media. The deep state is trying to control us. Ignore science because they are bought and paid for and part of a global conspiracy. If you think there are counterpoints then post them up. Take them out of your echo chamber and post them here for scrutiny unless you are afraid that your beliefs might be broken down. If you have an open mind and willing to change your mind then do as I have done and be transparent about the reasons for your opinions.

What type of disaster do you think we are heading for? What would be so bad about the majority of people having EVs, for us having cheaper utilities with renewables, and for us getting off of foreign oil and having energy independence? What would be so bad about individual energy independence? People will be much more able to live off-grid and free from government utilities if they want. A person will be able to get solar and batteries for cheap and potentially disconnect from the grid entirely if they want while generating energy for their car without the need for paying Venezuela or the Middle East for gas like I know you guys hate.

I laugh at you guys talking about control, while providing no detail, elaboration or arguments (just empty quips and one liners), yet the energy revolution would allow for less control. You're too naive to see that. It would allow for more national independence and more individual independence.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

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There is a lot of left blaming the right and right blaming the left. People talk about freedom of speech, but one side is banning books on one side and the other is trying to ban hate language on the other side. Clearly, neither side can see their own hypocrisy. Clearly, neither side can put themselves inside the shoes of the other side. But most people are far more in the middle on many issues, but don't get as much time than the vocal and radical right and left on the internet.

The transgender issue is so overplayed on the right, they are down right obsessive about this issue that doesn't really affect anyone on a day-to-day basis, but that doesn't stop them from using it to galvanize their base to ban books and generate fear. Meanwhile the vast majority of middle America has no problem talking to transgender people, being respectful and polite to transgender people, and to pay them the courteousness of using their pronouns when it is appropriate. The left just wanted these people to have rights and to be free of having bigots be rude to them without recourse, and they often take that goal too far, but their ultimate goal is for people to be nice and accepting of everyone, and the vast majority of people are in this country.

Here is where the middle stands because this isn't a California thing. All major manufactures have made pledges to move to EVs. Many states have set similar standards. The vast majority of major governments have made pledges. Most major companies have plans to be net zero in the near future. The world is moving more to renewables. Liberals and conservatives are on board all over the world. The price of cheap renewables have won over investors on both sides of the political perspective because they can make the same profit with less capital investment and pass part of that savings onto consumers; it's a win-win. Most people would rather recycle than throw things in landfills. Most people would rather not create emissions. Most people would rather do better for the environment. Most people would rather have energy independence. The vast majority of people just want to have an inexpensive and reliable vehicle and don't care what's under the hood or even prefer EVs. Given price parity and ease and access to recharging, most people would prefer to own an EV for the drive, crash safety and ease of maintenance. EVs are especially popular among younger demographics like the iPhones of cars over rotary or flip phones of old.

Just so it is clear, I don't know of anyone saying you can't own a classic car or ICE at this time or in the future. I might keep mine forever. The only mandate is that new vehicles need to be EVs by a certain date, which isn't a libertarian issue. If you want to buy an ICE vehicle then you can do it just fine. You can try to buy an old one, import one and get it legalized, or build a kit car, if you so are inclined, but just like how you can't buy a car without airbags, catalytic converters or without seat belts, there are regulations and laws. That is part of living in a society.

[Lantanafrs2]

Paradigm shifts. Global warming becomes climate change, going green becomes going electric, evs right now becomes ev somewhere down the road, fighting climate change becomes fighting the effects of climate change etc etc. Circle back to status quo

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Paradigm shifts. Global warming becomes climate change, going green becomes going electric, evs right now becomes ev somewhere down the road, fighting climate change becomes fighting the effects of climate change etc etc. Circle back to status quo

Careful bro, you're gonna make someone have to post another appeal to authority video featuring black tv science man the accused rapist.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Careful bro, you're gonna make someone have to post another appeal to authority video featuring black tv science man the accused rapist.

You clearly don’t recognize or understand what an appeal to authority argument is by your statement. That argument goes: because someone said X, it must be true because of their position. All I did was provide a video quote instead of me explaining something using my own examples. He said it just fine.

You sound like a SJW. In America someone is innocent until proven guilty, except for those SJWs who think the opposite. Is that you bro?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

On a related note, and not sure if this is a good sign, a bad sign or just a sign it has become normalized but Woot has Lectron EV chargers and converters on sale today in "Tools and Gardens".

Well, figured out why this were being discounted. Both Electrify America and EV-Go have "banned" the use of 3rd party adapters that aren't sold by an OEM.

While they can't necessarily enforce it, what this does is allow them to deny liability if you use one and either your car, their charging station, or you are injured by the adapter.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

You clearly don’t recognize or understand what an appeal to authority argument is by your statement. That argument goes: because someone said X, it must be true because of their position. All I did was provide a video quote instead of me explaining something using my own examples. He said it just fine.

lol. sure, jan.


I would actually like to buy an ev for my wife because despite what you might believe I'm not an ev hater.

Instead we're going to have to be driving our current vehicles for the next decade plus because the same clueless bureaucracy that you and tv troll "science" man think need to "help" have run the economy into the ditch and everything now costs 2-3x what it did three years ago.

But, you'll probably make a few nebulous claims, drag up some yt video with some clown from wallstreet like jim cramer to prove me wrong and pat yourself on the back as always so I'm just wasting my time replying.

You sound like a SJW. In America someone is innocent until proven guilty, except for those SJWs who think the opposite. Is that you bro?

bro, I'm just believing all women as your heroes that are gonna mandate us into this electric utopia told me I should. are you suggesting they could be wrong about something?

enjoy your cute gifs.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

lol. sure, jan.

I would actually like to buy an ev for my wife because despite what you might believe I'm not an ev hater.

Instead we're going to have to be driving our current vehicles for the next decade plus because the same clueless bureaucracy that you and tv troll "science" man think need to "help" have run the economy into the ditch and everything now costs 2-3x what it did three years ago.

But, you'll probably make a few nebulous claims, drag up some yt video with some clown from wallstreet like jim cramer to prove me wrong and pat yourself on the back as always so I'm just wasting my time replying.

bro, I'm just believing all women as your heroes that are gonna mandate us into this electric utopia told me I should. are you suggesting they could be wrong about something?

enjoy your cute gifs.

How about a couple pictures this time?





So you saying you are a SJW?

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

How about a couple pictures this time?





So you saying you are a SJW?

lol

is this a government is going to save us from the scary evil corporations argument? I see your chart is from europe, the only place with arguably a worse track record than the united states of domestic, foreign and economic policy being utter failures in modern history.

But let's just pretend for a moment that those corporations are doing these evil corporation things outside of the economic policy those governments have created. How is more government involvement going to change that? It's almost as if the economic policy is the cause for it, or something....? Nah, let's just double down instead.


*edit* since you like charts so much

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

lol

is this a government is going to save us from the scary evil corporations argument? I see your chart is from europe, the only place with arguably a worse track record than the united states of domestic, foreign and economic policy being utter failures in modern history.

But let's just pretend for a moment that those corporations are doing these evil corporation things outside of the economic policy those governments have created. How is more government involvement going to change that? It's almost as if the economic policy is the cause for it, or something....? Nah, let's just double down instead.


*edit* since you like charts so much

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...because the same clueless bureaucracy that you and tv troll "science" man think need to "help" have run the economy into the ditch and everything now costs 2-3x what it did three years ago.

First one is US. Second is EU. Corporations are global conglomerates. What's true everywhere is true here. Charts are the same, just different ways of showing the same thing. Based on the charts, you might have to redirect some of your misplaced blame to corporate monopolies and oligopolies. These corporations are evil? No. They are just playing the capitalist game and looking after number one and their shareholders. What would you have had the government do, place price controls? Sounds a little socialist.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/




Maybe things are better for others Sorry for your situation.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

First one is US. Second is EU. Corporations are global conglomerates. What's true everywhere is true here. Charts are the same, just different ways of showing the same thing. Based on the charts, you might have to redirect some of your misplaced blame to corporate monopolies and oligopolies. These corporations are evil? No. They are just playing the capitalist game and looking after number one and their shareholders. What would you have had the government do, place price controls? Sounds a little socialist.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion...ality-america/




Maybe things are better for others Sorry for your situation.

Misplaced blame? lol, they both suck and neither one gives a fuck about you, me, or anyone else.

The difference is nobody from some corporation came along and decided to rob me of my earned income that stole hours, days and years of my life by printing 12 trillion dollars in the matter of a few months. No corporation decided we needed QE, 0% effective interest rates and to buy trillions and trillions of MBS to prop up the economy that they themselves crashed with their prior clown shoes economic polices.

No corporation sent me a notice in the mail that my property tax was going up 35% because my shitty little house all of a sudden doubled in value, allegedly. They wouldn't buy the place at that bs made up valuation either, I asked.

I have freedom of choice to do business with corporations, I don't have a choice to do business with government lest they show up at my house with men holding weapons and compel me to do so under threat of violence. Many of those 1%'ers who are enriching themselves ARE the government btw. How is nancy pelosi's or mitch mconnell's investment portfolio doing these days?


I'm sure the median household income going up $3k since 2019 will be a huge help now that median houses are $420,000 and median vehicle price is $40k. Single digit wage increases in the face of double digit inflation over the same time period. fantastic.

Everything these people touch goes to shit and you think it's necessary for them to be involved in ev's as well? they already hosed up the fossil fuel industry trying to pick winners and losers and have enriched some of the west's worst enemies in the process. yeah, let's have them work that magic on electric cars as well.

[Lantanafrs2]

You will have nothing and be happy

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Misplaced blame? lol, they both suck and neither one gives a fuck about you, me, or anyone else.

The difference is nobody from some corporation came along and decided to rob me of my earned income that stole hours, days and years of my life by printing 12 trillion dollars in the matter of a few months. No corporation decided we needed QE, 0% effective interest rates and to buy trillions and trillions of MBS to prop up the economy that they themselves crashed with their prior clown shoes economic polices.

No corporation sent me a notice in the mail that my property tax was going up 35% because my shitty little house all of a sudden doubled in value, allegedly. They wouldn't buy the place at that bs made up valuation either, I asked.

I have freedom of choice to do business with corporations, I don't have a choice to do business with government lest they show up at my house with men holding weapons and compel me to do so under threat of violence. Many of those 1%'ers who are enriching themselves ARE the government btw. How is nancy pelosi's or mitch mconnell's investment portfolio doing these days?

I'm sure the median household income going up $3k since 2019 will be a huge help now that median houses are $420,000 and median vehicle price is $40k. Single digit wage increases in the face of double digit inflation over the same time period. fantastic.

Everything these people touch goes to shit and you think it's necessary for them to be involved in ev's as well? they already hosed up the fossil fuel industry trying to pick winners and losers and have enriched some of the west's worst enemies in the process. yeah, let's have them work that magic on electric cars as well.

They did by robbing/hoarding wages. If you were a median worker making $42k more per year ($92k vs $50k) then that 35% increase in property taxes wouldn't seem so bad, and you could retire a lot younger. And don't worry, prices for homes will likely drop, so your property taxes were only temporarily elevated.

Again, you seem to be blaming the government in an attribution error, while ignoring the situation of the times and having hindsight bias.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yZAot5UzLv4

I don't have a problem with them accelerating the adoption of renewables and moving our infrastructure and transportation to use renewables. Renewables are cheap and mean we will have economic security and self-reliance with energy independence.