Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by Liquidsnake

I never got comments like “that looks like a Porsche” or I thought I saw your car but it was a Caymen type comments when I had my Gen 1’s. Now I get it all the time. I get asked questions at the gas station at red lights everywhere. When I went to a nice steakhouse they parked my car out front next to some very nice exotics, instead of shepherding it underground. It felt good. That’s all I am saying I feel like I’m driving a nicer car than what it is, and I am proud everywhere I go, that was not always the case before.

Yeah these cars are pretty much the best smiles per dollar.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I feel nothing but blessed for the opportunity to have such a fun toy.

The threat asks the wrong questions. In fact, the entire idea of first gen versus second gen is irrelevant. There are, however, two kinds of twins.

First, there is a 2013 FRS, which utterly fucking bonkers handling and constantly feels like it's going to spin.

Second, there are all the others.

Originally Posted by WildCard600

I kind of understand, but then I stop and think about how I'll be retired at 50 and all my colleagues will still be working at 70 because they couldn't resist that BMW or Audi and have to finance a new one every 3-4 years so they don't "look poor" and drive home to their expensive house in the trendy neighborhood while I get in my long paid off 86 and drive to my modest house that's "too much of a drive" away all of a sudden it doesn't' bother me anymore.

Bonus points for not sweating our bonus % every year because it's already been spent the year before financing the aforementioned status symbols and can comfortably tuck it away in a brokerage account and maybe move retirement up to 49 or 48.

Maybe you're already independently wealthy and that situation doesn't apply, if so disregard.

Clearly you need a better paying job. If you're doing it right financially, the choice isn't between retiring at 50 or 70 because you bought a BMW. The choice is whether you really want ocean front or you're willing to settle for ocean view, or you're willing to just skip the whole ocean thing entirely. Whether you have a BMW or a Toyota is moot.

Of course there's always trackside: https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...m=srp-map-list

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

The threat asks the wrong questions. In fact, the entire idea of first gen versus second gen is irrelevant. There are, however, two kinds of twins.

First, there is a 2013 FRS, which utterly fucking bonkers handling and constantly feels like it's going to spin.

Second, there are all the others.

Haha... facts

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

First, there is a 2013 FRS, which utterly fucking bonkers handling and constantly feels like it's going to spin.

What changed between the 2013 FRS and "all others."

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Clearly you need a better paying job. If you're doing it right financially, the choice isn't between retiring at 50 or 70 because you bought a BMW. The choice is whether you really want ocean front or you're willing to settle for ocean view, or you're willing to just skip the whole ocean thing entirely. Whether you have a BMW or a Toyota is moot.

Of course there's always trackside: https://www.realtor.com/realestatean...m=srp-map-list

Yeah sorry, I'm already in my 40's and have only able to put away about 100k a year for the last 5 or so that I've had a decent paying job. They don't pay california wages here in the midwest so I guess I'll have to settle for just a few million and be a filthy poor even in retirement. Maybe I should be embarrassed after all?

Why are you on a twins board talking to us poors anyway?

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

What changed between the 2013 FRS and "all others."

The suspension.

Originally Posted by WildCard600

Yeah sorry, I'm already in my 40's and have only able to put away about 100k a year for the last 5 or so that I've had a decent paying job. They don't pay california wages here in the midwest so I guess I'll have to settle for just a few million and be a filthy poor even in retirement. Maybe I should be embarrassed after all?

There's always a bigger fish.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

What changed between the 2013 FRS and "all others."

Spring rates. The first year FRS was setup most aggressively for oversteer, than slowly mellowed down. By the 2017 refresh springs rates were the same (or almost the same) between the BRZ and the 86.

[WildCard600]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

The suspension.



There's always a bigger fish.

Gonna share pics of your ocean front estate and fleet of exotic cars?

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Spring rates. The first year FRS was setup most aggressively for oversteer, than slowly mellowed down. By the 2017 refresh springs rates were the same (or almost the same) between the BRZ and the 86.

What were the actual spring rates?

Like many things, I suspect the average driver wouldn't know if they weren't told.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

What were the actual spring rates?

Tough question. It's hard to find the actual specs throughout the years. Each time I search I mostly find tangent results but never a clear list of spring rates by model (BRZ/FRS/86) and year (and probably market as well).

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Like many things, I suspect the average driver wouldn't know if they weren't told.

You're probably right, but the first year FRS was supposedly very aggressively tuned to oversteer. I never driven a Twin other than my '18 BRZ so I can't comment.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

You're probably right, but the first year FRS was supposedly very aggressively tuned to oversteer. I never driven a Twin other than my '18 BRZ so I can't comment.

They all understeer on purpose but the first year frs had the stiffest rear springs. It's quite apparent even in comparison to the first year brz. They all got tamer each year. I don't know the numbers but, yeah. Night and day.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

They all understeer on purpose but the first year frs had the stiffest rear springs. It's quite apparent even in comparison to the first year brz. They all got tamer each year. I don't know the numbers but, yeah. Night and day.

"Night and day" implies something more dramatic than maybe a 10% reduction in spring rate. Which is kind of my point.

You can make a far more dramatic impact on the handling with your alignment than with a small spring rate change......unless you're already at the very edge of trying to find 10ths around a track.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

"Night and day" implies something more dramatic than maybe a 10% reduction in spring rate. Which is kind of my point.

You can make a far more dramatic impact on the handling with your alignment than with a small spring rate change......unless you're already at the very edge of trying to find 10ths around a track.

It does not imply anything. "Night and day" is a purely subjective, qualitative expression. I immediately noticed the difference in handling and overall feel of the ride between the first year frs and any other year, or badge. It is night and day to me. Out of the box, the stock 13 is way more playful than any of it's successors. Quantitative performance is completely different, and should not be inferred from my observations.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

It does not imply anything. "Night and day" is a purely subjective, qualitative expression. I immediately noticed the difference in handling and overall feel of the ride between the first year frs and any other year, or badge. It is night and day to me. Out of the box, the stock 13 is way more playful than any of it's successors. Quantitative performance is completely different, and should not be inferred from my observations.

Oh of course, I'm just coming from the aspect of the average driver.