New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Lantanafrs2]

^Only if you wear a mask while driving alone.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

^Only if you wear a mask while driving alone.

nah, windows down, flicking boogers at other cars.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by soundman98

nah, windows down, flicking boogers at other cars.

Perfect. In my state I can carry a concealed weapon, drive a catless vehicle while eating a bacon barbecue cheeseburger. All God given rights. Flicking boogers is a bonus.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It's not an exaggeration but admittedly is an educated guess. I do live in a relatively rural area (many of my coworkers own multi-acre homes in West Georgia and East Alabama). Most of them are hunters, fisherman, farmers or ranchers, "horse people", etc besides their daytime jobs.

Move 30 miles East (Atlanta) it would change of course but the makeup of the vehicles changes as well.

This would be more unique than what the statistics on truck/SUV use suggest, which is where the stereotypes come from. Stereotypes come from what is common, but is not ubiquitous of course.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Oh, and EV trucks (at least the current generation) aren't going to help that much for those that actually use their trucks as trucks because of the correlation of load to range.

All the posers, or very casual truck users, should convert immediately.

What do you mean by not going to help much? You mean it’ll lose its utility because it would need to recharge often due to the low range with loads, or are you trying to say something else?

I would say that the statistics on towing, show most campers and boaters who tow don’t go far like 15-30 miles, so towing won’t be a huge issue for even the vast majority of towers and haulers. Few will truly have problems with EV trucks as-is for 99% of their days or better. Long haulers would be the rare exception.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Perfect. In my state I can carry a concealed weapon, drive a catless vehicle while eating a bacon barbecue cheeseburger. All God given rights. Flicking boogers is a bonus.

It is illegal to drive catless in Florida or any state because it is a federal law. Many in California drive catless cars illegally too and are legally registered in smog exempt or emission tested counties. Many have concealed guns illegally or legally. Many eat bacon cheeseburgers while driving and smoking weed.

God given rights? I don’t know about rights or that some god gave them to you, but in any society, by living in that society, you must live within the rules or face consequences. You can’t just do whatever you want. If I want to drive a turbo diesel in bumper to bumper traffic coal-rolling the whole time, or if lots of people wanted to do that, so much so, that it was hard to see, let alone breathe around such vehicles, then I would be impeding on others.

Seems like some people just feel more entitled and don’t play well with society.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

What do you mean by not going to help much? You mean it’ll lose its utility because it would need to recharge often due to the low range with loads, or are you trying to say something else?

I would say that the statistics on towing, show most campers and boaters who tow don’t go far like 15-30 miles, so towing won’t be a huge issue for even the vast majority of towers and haulers. Few will truly have problems with EV trucks as-is for 99% of their days or better. Long haulers would be the rare exception.

It's towing, and it is also bed load. I don't know what stats you're looking at but nobody I know that tows something goes 60 miles round trip as an average. Even with that the range on a Ford Lightning, for example, drops to just around 120 miles with a moderate load based on everything I've seen. So, at highway speeds you are stopping less than every 90 miles to charge.

Problem not solved.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Seems like some people just feel more entitled and don’t play well with society.

Well, mostly.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by soundman98

does my 5 year old tacoma make me look manlier?

No, just makes your tailgate look bigger.

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It is illegal to drive catless in Florida or any state because it is a federal law. Many in California drive catless cars illegally too and are legally registered in smog exempt or emission tested counties. Many have concealed guns illegally or legally. Many eat bacon cheeseburgers while driving and smoking weed.

God given rights? I don’t know about rights or that some god gave them to you, but in any society, by living in that society, you must live within the rules or face consequences. You can’t just do whatever you want. If I want to drive a turbo diesel in bumper to bumper traffic coal-rolling the whole time, or if lots of people wanted to do that, so much so, that it was hard to see, let alone breathe around such vehicles, then I would be impeding on others.

Seems like some people just feel more entitled and don’t play well with society.

Sports cars / performance cars can run catless, their percentage is not that big, so they should be smog exempt anyway:P

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

What do you mean by not going to help much? You mean it’ll lose its utility because it would need to recharge often due to the low range with loads, or are you trying to say something else?

I would say that the statistics on towing, show most campers and boaters who tow don’t go far like 15-30 miles, so towing won’t be a huge issue for even the vast majority of towers and haulers. Few will truly have problems with EV trucks as-is for 99% of their days or better. Long haulers would be the rare exception.

I am friends with a bunch of contractors, and none of them could own an EV truck due to range when towing or loaded. All the other performance metrics and storage capability are there, but when you regularly have to tow a piece of equipment or a flatbed loaded with materials several times a week, the range just doesn't cut it.

I was really interested in an EV truck until the towing range tests started coming out. It would be perfect for me if I could at least get 150mi towing before I would be comfortable with it.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

It's towing, and it is also bed load. I don't know what stats you're looking at but nobody I know that tows something goes 60 miles round trip as an average. Even with that the range on a Ford Lightning, for example, drops to just around 120 miles with a moderate load based on everything I've seen. So, at highway speeds you are stopping less than every 90 miles to charge.

Problem not solved.

Most tow trips are not long trips, and most things people tow like a jet ski or small trailer could be towed with a much smaller vehicle. Most 4 cylinder vehicles have enough torque and the payloads of most vehicles can handle plenty of weight. Most trucks use 2WD for the vast majority of time on road or during towing, as driving with 4WD on dry pavement is bad. Despite the rare need for 4WD or AWD, it has moved up in popularity due to its perceived necessity, safety and performance, but it is way overplayed.

Admittedly I can’t seem to find the article I read in the past talking about most people who tow do so with light loads for short distances like to a local lake to fish or ski, or for carrying landscaping equipment to work, or small loads to tge local dump. Long distance towing was far less common. Most don’t own a big enough boat or trailer to exceed the needs of a light duty truck or even of many small CUVs.

The automotive business intelligence company says that “50.8% of new vehicles sold in the 2020 model year have been equipped with four-wheel drive. If trends hold, four-wheel drive will represent more than 50% of the market for the first time ever.” This means that two-wheel drive in the guise of front- and rear-wheel drive make up 49.2 percent of sales so far, which is an outstanding statistic by all accounts[1].

The fact that they skew far more male—87% versus an industry average of 57%[2]

According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less [2].

“When asked for attributes that are important to them,” Edwards says, “truck owners oversample in ones like: the ability to outperform others, to look good while driving, to present a tough image, to have their car act as extension of their personality, and to stand out in a crowd.” Trucks deliver on all of that. At a price [2].

“Chevrolet is confident these engines meet or exceed most trailering needs, as 96 percent of light-duty pickup owners tow less than 10,000 pounds, according to data from MaritzCX an InMoment Company,” the automaker states [3].

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I am friends with a bunch of contractors, and none of them could own an EV truck due to range when towing or loaded. All the other performance metrics and storage capability are there, but when you regularly have to tow a piece of equipment or a flatbed loaded with materials several times a week, the range just doesn't cut it.

I was really interested in an EV truck until the towing range tests started coming out. It would be perfect for me if I could at least get 150mi towing before I would be comfortable with it.

Battery swapping would be the ideal solution someday unless ultra fast chargers make swapping unnecessary.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Battery swapping would be the ideal solution someday unless ultra fast chargers make swapping unnecessary.

If those options are available in the area. We are talking rural country here. I know of two charging stations between where we all live, and the farthest area they have been regularly working. Neither are fast charging and only one could accomodate a truck with trailer, but only if you pull in and block all 4 chargers and a handicap spot.