New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

So we go "green" and 3rd world countries take our place in terms of fossil fuel consumption? Sounds like fixing one thing and breaking 3 others in the process.

What's your alternative? Not going green and still having them take our place in terms of fossil fuel consumption?

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by alex87f

What's your alternative? Not going green and still having them take our place in terms of fossil fuel consumption?

Or, if our survival depends on it, we could help them transition to green energy, bypassing the mistakes we made. Or not. Survival may not matter that much to us.

[Irace86.2.0]

Yeah yeah

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Or, if our survival depends on it, we could help them transition to green energy, bypassing the mistakes we made. Or not. Survival may not matter that much to us.

lol, help others?!?

now get outta my way, i neeeed my mocha double frapacino latte!

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Or, if our survival depends on it, we could help them transition to green energy, bypassing the mistakes we made. Or not. Survival may not matter that much to us.

You mean using our tax money to help others in who are not in a great situation, in exchange for drastically improved survival odds?

Ain't nobody got time (or money) for that! Communists be damned, making vroom vroom noises and buying new smartphones is much more important.

[soundman98]

there's a reason we're still divided by country around the globe, and can't come up with a singular global governing body, like all the space movies say we want to do.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

the place to watch is the farmlands. where they don't have the political sway that the major cities pushing for ev's have, but will drastically effect all of our budgeting when easily-storable liquid fuel prices start spiking. there's nothing in the way of development of electric combines and field-charging solutions, because the use-case would never work for a battery tech like lithium.

we might see some development of hydrogen tech in that arena, as it's storable, portable, and somewhat stable, though it seems like hydrogen development has almost entirely stalled?

Don’t have political sway? I think you would be surprised how much political sway the ag industry has. They get massive subsidies already. Oprah got sued by the meet industry and nearly lost gor just saying she wouldn’t eat a burger.

But you know, they are going EV and autonomous. They do have electricity running to farms, but for sure hydrogen will be a future option along with renewable fuels.

https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/oh...er/738621.html

Interview with John Deere discussing moving to green technology.

https://www.agweb.com/news/machinery...ohn-deeres-cto

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

there's a reason we're still divided by country around the globe, and can't come up with a singular global governing body, like all the space movies say we want to do.

Well there is the UN, and all but a few countries didn’t sign the Paris Climate Agreement, so it isn’t like “rich” countries are the only ones on board with reducing their carbon footprint.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Well there is the UN, and all but a few countries didn’t sign the Paris Climate Agreement, so it isn’t like “rich” countries are the only ones on board with reducing their carbon footprint.

There's a big difference between signing a paper and actually doing something.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Don’t have political sway? I think you would be surprised how much political sway the ag industry has. They get massive subsidies already. Oprah got sued by the meet industry and nearly lost gor just saying she wouldn’t eat a burger.

But you know, they are going EV and autonomous. They do have electricity running to farms, but for sure hydrogen will be a future option along with renewable fuels.

https://www.farmanddairy.com/news/oh...er/738621.html

Interview with John Deere discussing moving to green technology.

https://www.agweb.com/news/machinery...ohn-deeres-cto

electric to their main buildings, yes. but all the farmers i know are renting farmland without power/water sometimes 45 minutes away from their property with the barn.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

There's a big difference between signing a paper and actually doing something.

If that is the case then there would have been no reason for Trump to have pulled the US from the Paris Accords before Biden reversed that executive order.

The Paris Agreement is a legally binding international treaty on climate change. It was adopted by 196 Parties at the UN Climate Change Conference (COP21) in Paris, France, on 12 December 2015. It entered into force on 4 November 2016.

https://unfccc.int/process-and-meeti...aris-agreement

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

electric to their main buildings, yes. but all the farmers i know are renting farmland without power/water sometimes 45 minutes away from their property with the barn.

“Farmers” or growers. Tell the truth.

[soundman98]

my brothers wife's family is 2nd generation farmers. mostly onions, corn, and potatos i believe.

the people i hang out with don't do anything with weeds except spray with weed killer.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

If that is the case then there would have been no reason for Trump to have pulled the US from the Paris Accords before Biden reversed that executive order.


https://unfccc.int/process-and-meeti...aris-agreement

Lol, it was an entirely perception-based decision, yes.

Who enforces the Paris accords? What penalties does it impose for not abiding by it? It's pretty much a tsktsk shame on you thing. That's why the US was even able to just pull out of it. No ramifications therefore not really legally binding.