follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Delicious Tuning
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB

Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB Problems, issues, recalls, TSBs


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-10-2023, 07:18 PM   #141
Nfsundrgrnd
Member
 
Nfsundrgrnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Drives: 2013 WR blue sport tech BRZ
Location: NB
Posts: 83
Thanks: 22
Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clipdat View Post
Yeah. That.

It's free to sign up for an account, and it makes reviewing the data really easy. You can even set up data streams (gauges) to view on the left hand side and then "play" back the data and get a great understanding for what was going on in real time. It's just way easier to read/view than a straight CSV file.

It's also just a cool way to extrapolate the data into something that makes more sense for the uninitiated (people like me).
https://datazap.me/u/nfsundrgrnd/v4-...g?log=0&data=1

Did I do it right? Lol
Nfsundrgrnd is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Nfsundrgrnd For This Useful Post:
Ultramaroon (04-10-2023)
Old 04-10-2023, 07:24 PM   #142
Clipdat
Proud of BOXER
 
Clipdat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Drives: Subaru Boxer
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 8,148
Thanks: 7,073
Thanked 6,846 Times in 3,675 Posts
Mentioned: 199 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Yep, I can see the log/data!
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz
I'm old and lazy
Clipdat is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Clipdat For This Useful Post:
Nfsundrgrnd (04-10-2023)
Old 04-10-2023, 10:42 PM   #143
Ultramaroon
chicken tonight
 
Ultramaroon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 31,942
Thanks: 52,290
Thanked 36,615 Times in 18,979 Posts
Mentioned: 1109 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nfsundrgrnd View Post
Sure did! Thanks.


Now I have even more questions. Why is FLKC going positive under high load here? Is this real?



__________________
Ultramaroon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2023, 11:07 PM   #144
tomm.brz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Drives: brz 2017 hksv2
Location: italy
Posts: 2,204
Thanks: 502
Thanked 1,070 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
yes
it is because his advance is lower than 1, and the engine is not knocking there so it slowly tries to climb back to 1, while adding positive flkc gradually
curious to see a full. throttle pull

Last edited by tomm.brz; 04-10-2023 at 11:27 PM.
tomm.brz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tomm.brz For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-11-2023), Ultramaroon (04-10-2023)
Old 04-10-2023, 11:47 PM   #145
Ultramaroon
chicken tonight
 
Ultramaroon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 31,942
Thanks: 52,290
Thanked 36,615 Times in 18,979 Posts
Mentioned: 1109 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomm.brz View Post
yes
it is because his advance is lower than 1, and the engine is not knocking there so it slowly tries to climb back to 1, while adding positive flkc gradually
curious to see a full. throttle pull
Thank you! I think I am beginning to understand.
__________________
Ultramaroon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2023, 06:48 AM   #146
Nfsundrgrnd
Member
 
Nfsundrgrnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Drives: 2013 WR blue sport tech BRZ
Location: NB
Posts: 83
Thanks: 22
Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomm.brz View Post
yes
it is because his advance is lower than 1, and the engine is not knocking there so it slowly tries to climb back to 1, while adding positive flkc gradually
curious to see a full. throttle pull
Should have another log by the end of the day today hopefully. If not tomorrow.
Nfsundrgrnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2023, 05:46 PM   #147
Nfsundrgrnd
Member
 
Nfsundrgrnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Drives: 2013 WR blue sport tech BRZ
Location: NB
Posts: 83
Thanks: 22
Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomm.brz View Post
yes
it is because his advance is lower than 1, and the engine is not knocking there so it slowly tries to climb back to 1, while adding positive flkc gradually
curious to see a full. throttle pull
I come bearing gifts! I got the 2k - redline in 3rd at WOT log. Was coming in fast to a turn so didn't exactly hit redline but it was close enough lol. Also a smidge of launch control later in the log just to see if that's fine.

https://datazap.me/u/nfsundrgrnd/2k-...r?log=0&data=1

I still need to check the filter though, should have an answer in a bit.

Last edited by Nfsundrgrnd; 04-11-2023 at 06:01 PM.
Nfsundrgrnd is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Nfsundrgrnd For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-11-2023)
Old 04-11-2023, 10:08 PM   #148
tomm.brz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Drives: brz 2017 hksv2
Location: italy
Posts: 2,204
Thanks: 502
Thanked 1,070 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nfsundrgrnd View Post
I come bearing gifts! I got the 2k - redline in 3rd at WOT log. Was coming in fast to a turn so didn't exactly hit redline but it was close enough lol. Also a smidge of launch control later in the log just to see if that's fine.

https://datazap.me/u/nfsundrgrnd/2k-...r?log=0&data=1

I still need to check the filter though, should have an answer in a bit.
that s not bad at all
here a new release of it for your car with some adjustment:

Stg1 V4 91oct A00C Nfsundrgrnd-2
tomm.brz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tomm.brz For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-11-2023), Nfsundrgrnd (04-11-2023)
Old 04-11-2023, 10:52 PM   #149
Nfsundrgrnd
Member
 
Nfsundrgrnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Drives: 2013 WR blue sport tech BRZ
Location: NB
Posts: 83
Thanks: 22
Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomm.brz View Post
that s not bad at all
here a new release of it for your car with some adjustment:

Stg1 V4 91oct A00C Nfsundrgrnd-2
Thank you man, I appreciate the help! I'll try to get another log done tomorrow with the new tune.
Nfsundrgrnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2023, 11:00 PM   #150
Clipdat
Proud of BOXER
 
Clipdat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Drives: Subaru Boxer
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 8,148
Thanks: 7,073
Thanked 6,846 Times in 3,675 Posts
Mentioned: 199 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
When you say do a "2k to redline in 3rd at WOT" pull do you mean literally let 3rd run into the rev limiter before then shifting into 4th?
__________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by humfrz
I'm old and lazy
Clipdat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2023, 02:46 AM   #151
tomm.brz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Drives: brz 2017 hksv2
Location: italy
Posts: 2,204
Thanks: 502
Thanked 1,070 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
yes at 2000 or around it floor the accell and reach redline
similar to a pull in the dyno
tomm.brz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to tomm.brz For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-12-2023)
Old 04-12-2023, 08:44 PM   #152
Nfsundrgrnd
Member
 
Nfsundrgrnd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2021
Drives: 2013 WR blue sport tech BRZ
Location: NB
Posts: 83
Thanks: 22
Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomm.brz View Post
yes at 2000 or around it floor the accell and reach redline
similar to a pull in the dyno
Got a fresh Log with the new tune. Got a couple 2k to redline pulls with some spirited driving and blips at the end.

https://datazap.me/u/nfsundrgrnd/2k-...2?log=0&data=1

Car feels faster now as well.

Also why is the ignition advance dropping as the RPM's are climbing towards redline?
Nfsundrgrnd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2023, 09:52 PM   #153
tomm.brz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Drives: brz 2017 hksv2
Location: italy
Posts: 2,204
Thanks: 502
Thanked 1,070 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
That is a question that should be made to an engineer that worked with Subaru in the fa20 to answer properly
For us normal human beings, you just have to know this is not a wrx, we have double injection and a very dynamic DI injection angle and the engine has its own flow that gives a particular ignition timing curve
When rpm start to rise past 5000, flame speed and burn rate start to change in a way (faster basically) that the engine requires less timing otherwise it knocks... for example PI injection is used more at high rpm also in stock rom, and more PI usually means faster combustion = less timing required

usually max tining is around 5200-5600rpm, then slowly dropping till redline
with a suoercharger the timing will go even lower of course
with e85 instead, you can rise up timing a lot so that you can almost flat out the timing from midrpm to redline

Anyway log is not bad, i ll make you just a quick adjustment more and then you re good to go
Car going faster might be a placebo, or because of higher advabce multiplier now, it has a bit more torque overall, but "peak" power should not be higher and somewhat the same as before, i m not rising timing i m actually lowering them in your tune

Keep in mind i m not really retuning you, i m just adjusting the ots tune quickly because of knocks
When i tune i use a completely different base

Last edited by tomm.brz; 04-12-2023 at 10:05 PM.
tomm.brz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to tomm.brz For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-13-2023), fredzy (04-14-2023), Nfsundrgrnd (04-13-2023), NoHaveMSG (04-12-2023), Ultramaroon (04-13-2023)
Old 04-12-2023, 10:46 PM   #154
tomm.brz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Drives: brz 2017 hksv2
Location: italy
Posts: 2,204
Thanks: 502
Thanked 1,070 Times in 778 Posts
Mentioned: 65 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nfsundrgrnd View Post
Got a fresh Log with the new tune. Got a couple 2k to redline pulls with some spirited driving and blips at the end.

https://datazap.me/u/nfsundrgrnd/2k-...2?log=0&data=1

Car feels faster now as well.

Also why is the ignition advance dropping as the RPM's are climbing towards redline?
Stg1 V4 91oct A00C Nfsundrgrnd-3
tomm.brz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to tomm.brz For This Useful Post:
Clipdat (04-13-2023), Nfsundrgrnd (04-13-2023)
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rough idle leads to stall, runs well under load, no engine response on throttle blip gensch Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 8 09-01-2021 08:26 AM
Abnormal noise when throttle blip or WOT shifting evo4g63 Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 48 10-16-2014 08:42 AM
Throttle Blip Hiss Wepeel Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 29 05-30-2014 11:56 PM
Metal Grind Sound when throttle blip JDM-dono Issues | Warranty | Recalls / TSB 0 11-17-2013 04:37 AM
Throttle Blip, and other features? ashtray BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics 39 03-07-2012 10:52 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.