2022+ Ecu cracked?!

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

What law changes need to happen for them to enforce the current federal laws?

Not sure. In the states emissions enforcement on passenger vehicles is done on the state level even though the regulations are federal. EPA is federal so by hiring a bunch more agents they are likely enforcing industry. It's not like you are going to see a bunch of federal smogging stations pop up and start requiring you get tested. There is nothing in place policy wise I am aware of yet. EPA regulates a giant umbrella. Them hiring a bunch of agents is pretty meaningless to us.

....which reminds me I have 6 more weeks to finish my emissions certifications for work.

[DocWalt]

Too bad the EPA suing tuners means we won't get the emissions stuff at the tune level so it doesn't matter.

[x808drifter]

Case in point: Weed is federally illegal.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Not sure. In the states emissions enforcement on passenger vehicles is done on the state level even though the regulations are federal. EPA is federal so by hiring a bunch more agents they are likely enforcing industry. It's not like you are going to see a bunch of federal smogging stations pop up and start requiring you get tested. There is nothing in place policy wise I am aware of yet. EPA regulates a giant umbrella. Them hiring a bunch of agents is pretty meaningless to us.

....which reminds me I have 6 more weeks to finish my emissions certifications for work.

You asked "how" it could be done not "if" it would be done.
Not playing a word game just "If" the feds decide they want to attack it at the general public level they could by putting enough boots on the ground. Obviously at this point they just don't care enough about the end users to focus on them. The suppliers however are an easy target at the federal level.

[Lantanafrs2]

You guys are playing word games

[Lantanafrs2]

You guys are playing word games

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

You guys are playing word games

No. They are two different questions.

How
adverb
1.
in what way or manner; by what means.


If
conjunction
1.(introducing a conditional clause) on the condition or supposition that; in the event that.
Similar: on condition that
provided (that)
providing (that)
presuming (that)
supposing (that)
assuming (that)
on the assumption that
allowing (that)

[BioRebel]

Have they gone after car tuners? I know in NJ they don't really care as long as it passes the emission test during inspection. The only crackdown I've seen is on diesel truck drivers who are removing cats so they can "roll coal" (0 issue with the state cracking down on this)

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You asked "how" it could be done not "if" it would be done.
Not playing a word game just "If" the feds decide they want to attack it at the general public level they could by putting enough boots on the ground. Obviously at this point they just don't care enough about the end users to focus on them. The suppliers however are an easy target at the federal level.

Just hiring bodies isn't a how though. Without probable cause a crime is being committed it is not legal for law enforcement here to search you. If there are no legal provisions for them to enforce laws then they just hired a bunch of janitors.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by BioRebel

Have they gone after car tuners? I know in NJ they don't really care as long as it passes the emission test during inspection. The only crackdown I've seen is on diesel truck drivers who are removing cats so they can "roll coal" (0 issue with the state cracking down on this)

Oh ya.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...omes-knocking/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ing-companies/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/epa-fines-tuning-shop/

Although they still are hammering the trucks more
https://driving.ca/auto-news/crashes...illion-dollars

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Just hiring bodies isn't a how though. Without probable cause a crime is being committed it is not legal for law enforcement here to search you. If there are no legal provisions for them to enforce laws then they just hired a bunch of janitors.

So they set up a bunch of federal inspections stations. If they decide to enforce the federal LAWS and the individual states won't do it then it is feasible. All depends on how much money they want to throw at it.
Not talking about a bunch of guys running around puling cars over or anything like that.

[Lantanafrs2]

Of course once tuning software is released, the subject becomes why you won't be able to tune your car.

[BioRebel]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh ya.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...omes-knocking/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...ing-companies/
https://www.motortrend.com/news/epa-fines-tuning-shop/

Although they still are hammering the trucks more
https://driving.ca/auto-news/crashes...illion-dollars

It looks like as long as they have documented emissions tests showing that the "mod" does not increase emissions then its within compliance. I'm not sure how PFI labeled their products and services but that MIGHT be the reason why they cracked down on them. And why trucks are getting hit harder.
There's a grey area here, a shop that sells a tune which does not enable the removal of a CAT and with a test showing emissions compliance should be fine? (at the federal level)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by BioRebel

It looks like as long as they have documented emissions tests showing that the "mod" does not increase emissions then its within compliance. I'm not sure how PFI labeled their products and services but that MIGHT be the reason why they cracked down on them. And why trucks are getting hit harder.
There's a grey area here, a shop that sells a tune which does not enable the removal of a CAT and with a test showing emissions compliance should be fine? (at the federal level)

Trying to follow the laws is like walking through a maze. Where something may look like a loophole another section twists around and closes it. The law is an not a couple of lines of print but about 1,200 pages. I have to deal with the industrial end of it (it is not just cars and trucks) everyday and still struggle with the damn thing.
What it boils down to is that NO alteration of the stock system is permitted whether it changes the emission or not so technically there is no such thing as a legal aftermarket tune.
Trucks are hit harder because they are more obvious to the general public and let's the EPA say "See we are doing something". Cars will get their turn.