WHAT DID YOU DO TO YOUR BRZ TODAY?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Correct. The service dept. is geared towards higher volume stuff, and trying to upsell anything even if the car doesn't need it. Not sure if the service desk jockeys even know that the BRZ has dual injection where most newer Subarus don't.

I bet there are at least a few that strongly believe it is AWD and turboed so there is little doubt they will not have a clue that it has the Toyota DS4 injection system on it.

[Ultramaroon]

this "fuel induction service" is a load of BS. It's not a fuel additive, so it's a lie to say it "works its way through the injectors."

It's sprayed into the intake upstream of the throttle body.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

this "fuel induction service" is a load of BS. It's not a fuel additive, so it's a lie to say it "works its way through the injectors."

It's sprayed into the intake upstream of the throttle body.

Oh that's right. Isn't that where they take the can of cleaner and pour/spray it into one of the PCV ports on the back of the intake manifold? Waste of time with D4S.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

this "fuel induction service" is a load of BS. It's not a fuel additive, so it's a lie to say it "works its way through the injectors."

It's sprayed into the intake upstream of the throttle body.

I thought they put the car in a mist filled room with the gas cap off and that is how it manages to clean both the intake AND the injectors. Then it all meets in the middle through the throttle body and flush's off the valves.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

this "fuel induction service" is a load of BS. It's not a fuel additive, so it's a lie to say it "works its way through the injectors."

It's sprayed into the intake upstream of the throttle body.

so they seafoam the motor.

literally takes a screwdriver and 20 minutes to do yourself, but i'd never do it on a car with less than 150,000 miles, and only if it's got a funky idle.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by soundman98

...only if it's got a funky idle.

Like James Brown funky? Papa don't take no mess.

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by soundman98

so they seafoam the motor.

Isn't seafoam a fuel additive?

[bcj]

It's also a dessert topping and floor wax!

It did save my CB650 with four sticky carbs that a shop couldn't even ...
Helped my 2 stroke string trimmer start in the spring for 20 years.

Seafoam has a place. Just where, is debatable.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

Isn't seafoam a fuel additive?

it's a bit of everything. more like wd-40 for inside the motor.

i see they've got 'sea foam spray' now for intake cleaning.

20-ish years ago, they didn't have that. the official procedure on the can was to pull one of the vacuum hoses ahead of the carb/throttle plate, and basically allow the motor to 'slurp' the stuff in.

there was a real risk of hydro-locking the motor with this method

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by bcj

It's also a dessert topping and floor wax!

It did save my CB650 with four sticky carbs that a shop couldn't even ...
Helped my 2 stroke string trimmer start in the spring for 20 years.

Seafoam has a place. Just where, is debatable.

That and Mystery Oil.

[WNDSRFR]

Seafoam belongs on the beach.
But oh, I love the smell of Marvel Mystery oil.

[soundman98]

It's been so long since I've had a jalopy that had to resort to the parts store miracle fixes, I don't remember what either smells like!

[Apolllo]

Originally Posted by joro2

(Cross posted from an older thread on trans/diff fluid changes, apologies for any duplicates.)

Had a routine oil change yesterday @ 21K on my 2017 BRZ (MT base Premium).

The dealer mentioned ("recommended") a few additional items needing service, some which made sense and others not so much.
- Battery failed load test; reasonable, given that the BRZ is 66 months old and still on the original battery; ACCEPTED i.e. went for the new battery (it was competitively priced).
- New tires; yeah, they're 5.5. years old and have 21K miles, but I feel confident I can safely go one more oil change interval before shopping tires (another topic, i.e. new tires) I DECLINED.

Then came these suggestions:
1) "Alignment and fuel induction service"
I didn't find these in the factory maintenance schedule, what are they? Did they mean a standard wheel alignment AND some kind of fuel service? Or is "alignment" part of the fuel service? I DECLINED.

2) Was told I should (or did the service manager say "recommended" again?) replace the manual transmission fluid and the rear diff fluid. I found ambiguous factory info on this, some say 30K miles, other text entries say every 4 years (regardless of mileage) for the diff, which is it? Couldn't find anything on the transmission fluid except "inspect". Since there's no dipstick on either I assume "inspect" means the tech drives it and decides if they don't like the way it's shifting.
I feel as though I foolishly ACCEPTED.
Looks like they also did a rear diff BG flush.
From new the BRZ was notchy, for the first ~5-7K sometimes finicky until warmed up. And remained notchy, once in a while not slipping as smoothly into gear as I'd like, but still always one of the better manuals I've ever owned.
Short story I said yes to both (diff and trans fluid change). Immediately was feeling remorse, as only at 21K, never tracked, etc. But do admit shifting was definitely noticeably "smoother" (maybe slightly heavier? less mechanical clunks) after the service. Not sure yet which I liked better, before or after the fluid changes. Either way I feel like Steve Jobs felt about opening up iPhones, once cracked open RUINED!

So, feeling ripped off! I know better but somehow (because I'm an IDIOT) dropped my guard.
I know, I know -- dealer is always a ripoff (although as I said these services all were competitively priced).
What say you re: the trans/diff fluid change at 5.5 years/21K miles? And what is that "alignment and fuel induction service"? Feel free to call me an IDIOT, I've done the same for the past 24 hours.

PS They also gave me a "free wash" at the dealer. something I forgot to decline, I always hand wash the car and have since new. Dealer has a cheap toy car wash set up. All in all, what was a simple service turned into a pricey bad BRZ day, really my first in 5.5 years of ownership.

And that's what I did to my BRZ (yesterday). Thanks for reading my whine.

I feel like you did good, especially if it was competitively priced.

They probably could have sold the alignment better if they really wanted to push it on you. Saying it is factory maint schedule is weird. Could have easily said the wear on your tires that need to be replaced are a sign that your car needs an alignment. Also, they usually recommend alignment after new tires, regardless of wear of old tires. As long as wear seems normal on your tires, no need to do an alignment after new tires.

[cmiovino]

Originally Posted by joro2

(Cross posted from an older thread on trans/diff fluid changes, apologies for any duplicates.)

Had a routine oil change yesterday @ 21K on my 2017 BRZ (MT base Premium).

The dealer mentioned ("recommended") a few additional items needing service, some which made sense and others not so much.
- Battery failed load test; reasonable, given that the BRZ is 66 months old and still on the original battery; ACCEPTED i.e. went for the new battery (it was competitively priced).
- New tires; yeah, they're 5.5. years old and have 21K miles, but I feel confident I can safely go one more oil change interval before shopping tires (another topic, i.e. new tires) I DECLINED.

Then came these suggestions:
1) "Alignment and fuel induction service"
I didn't find these in the factory maintenance schedule, what are they? Did they mean a standard wheel alignment AND some kind of fuel service? Or is "alignment" part of the fuel service? I DECLINED.

2) Was told I should (or did the service manager say "recommended" again?) replace the manual transmission fluid and the rear diff fluid. I found ambiguous factory info on this, some say 30K miles, other text entries say every 4 years (regardless of mileage) for the diff, which is it? Couldn't find anything on the transmission fluid except "inspect". Since there's no dipstick on either I assume "inspect" means the tech drives it and decides if they don't like the way it's shifting.
I feel as though I foolishly ACCEPTED.
Looks like they also did a rear diff BG flush.
From new the BRZ was notchy, for the first ~5-7K sometimes finicky until warmed up. And remained notchy, once in a while not slipping as smoothly into gear as I'd like, but still always one of the better manuals I've ever owned.
Short story I said yes to both (diff and trans fluid change). Immediately was feeling remorse, as only at 21K, never tracked, etc. But do admit shifting was definitely noticeably "smoother" (maybe slightly heavier? less mechanical clunks) after the service. Not sure yet which I liked better, before or after the fluid changes. Either way I feel like Steve Jobs felt about opening up iPhones, once cracked open RUINED!

So, feeling ripped off! I know better but somehow (because I'm an IDIOT) dropped my guard.
I know, I know -- dealer is always a ripoff (although as I said these services all were competitively priced).
What say you re: the trans/diff fluid change at 5.5 years/21K miles? And what is that "alignment and fuel induction service"? Feel free to call me an IDIOT, I've done the same for the past 24 hours.

PS They also gave me a "free wash" at the dealer. something I forgot to decline, I always hand wash the car and have since new. Dealer has a cheap toy car wash set up. All in all, what was a simple service turned into a pricey bad BRZ day, really my first in 5.5 years of ownership.

And that's what I did to my BRZ (yesterday). Thanks for reading my whine.

My 2017's battery failed in 2019 with the previous owner. Not sure if it's because the outright failed to start, or failed the load test like yours. They replaced it under warranty. Back in the day, the batteries were made by Panasonic for Subarus and lasted for forever. Just ~2 years ago we were upgrading my buddy's 2005 STI and it still had the original battery. My 2004 WRX had the original in 2012 when I bought it.

Alignment is eh. I autocross a ton and had a performance alignment done about 13k miles ago maxing out front camber and zero toe all around. Tire's haven't seen any weird wear, so I've left it. I found even my SO's Sentra at 90k miles hasn't needed one since new and her tires wear fine and drives straight. Don't don't get me started on my WRX - probably hasn't had an alignment in 8+ years as the front adjustments are all rusted in place.

As far as the transmission fluid, mine was kinda hard to get into gear when I got it at 26k miles. Once I remember thinking I was in first, but I guess it was halfway and made some great grinding sounds for a second. Fluid came out BLACK. I replaced it with Motul 300. The stock fluid leaves a bit to be desired. I usually change the Motul every other year now as I autocross and this is about 50 events, plus ~10k miles. For the average street car, 15-20k seems about right if you want to actually enjoy shifting well. The Motul fluid might be a hair better feeling than OEM, but lasts a lot longer. I'd suggest Motul or Redline for your next change - the dealer might even use your fluids for you. Or take it to an independent shop. I get sticking with OEM parts for a lot of things, but this is one of them you'd want to upgrade.

But either way, not bad for 5 years. Cars cost money to maintain.