2022: Is there any risk to buy an 2013 FR-S now ?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You mean the 2028 Civic E Type R.

Oh my Lord, that's beautiful.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Oh my Lord, that's beautiful.

I respect that, but here I was thinking it was two of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I respect that, but here I was thinking it was two of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

Haha I like the simplicity

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I respect that, but here I was thinking it was two of the ugliest cars I've ever seen.

The one in the back is basically your standard 70s body shape just updated a bit.
It isn’t horrible.

[bcj]

Too much hood only to conform with conventional form factor expectations.
You don't need all that wasted hood and overhang with no ICE to keep out of the load area.
Tom's Rhinoplasty should be making bank.

[EAGLE5]

2013 FRS is the one with the good suspension. The rest are just Honda Civics.

[Ultramaroon]

^^^ This guy gets it ^^^

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The one in the back is basically your standard 70s body shape just updated a bit.
It isn’t horrible.

Isnt the one in the back practically the Honda e that was released in Europe some time ago?

Its actually a pretty cool looking throwback civic...too bad its range sucks (150ish kms?...but that was pretty normal at the time i think), it was overpriced (as is typical for early production electric cars...i think it cost like 40k for something that should be half the price) and they never released it here.

i think they're discontinuing it pretty soon....since honda somehow doesnt know how to make any other electric car...so they're partnering with GM.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Engines did indeed blow up but it was a very specific group from a limited date range. If they haven't gone by now they are not likely to.

The dip looks horrible on paper but as long as you are in the right gear for what you want to do it has very little impact on actual driving. It is a 10% drop that lasts for a fraction of a second even at it's worst.

Lies
The torque dip was the worst thing EVER to happen to any production car ever.
Worse than the reliability of a rotary engine, worse than dieselgate, worse than the GM V8-6-4 motor that was too early to try cylinder deactivation....
worse than the Edsel vagina grilles, worse than the GM Diesel engines when they thought they could get away with just converting a gas engine to a diesel engine...worse than italian reliability...worse than Subaru STI head gasket failures.....etc

I could go on and on and on but EVERYONE will tell you that you have never experienced automotive garbage unless you experienced the wonders of torque dip. The most useless, unsafe, flawed "feature" in a modern car ever.

Other than that the cars were pretty good though.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Lies
The torque dip was the worst thing EVER to happen to any production car ever.
Worse than the reliability of a rotary engine, worse than dieselgate, worse than the GM V8-6-4 motor that was too early to try cylinder deactivation....
worse than the Edsel vagina grilles, worse than the GM Diesel engines when they thought they could get away with just converting a gas engine to a diesel engine...worse than italian reliability...worse than Subaru STI head gasket failures.....etc

I could go on and on and on but EVERYONE will tell you that you have never experienced automotive garbage unless you experienced the wonders of torque dip. The most useless, unsafe, flawed "feature" in a modern car ever.

Other than that the cars were pretty good though.

[TommyW]

IMO no more a risk than any other used car. I'd stay away from the VIN numbers that the recall affected whether or not they had it done or not however I've never heard of any having valve spring issues. I'd go by mileage and service records as a start and buy from an older owner if possible. A well kept '13 will be better than a '14 or later with high mileage and questionable records and owner.

[alex87f]

Originally Posted by TommyW

IMO no more a risk than any other used car. I'd stay away from the VIN numbers that the recall affected whether or not they had it done or not however I've never heard of any having valve spring issues. I'd go by mileage and service records as a start and buy from an older owner if possible. A well kept '13 will be better than a '14 or later with high mileage and questionable records and owner.

Not a very cohesive way to see things

[TommyW]

Originally Posted by alex87f

Not a very cohesive way to see things

To clarify, Recall work can produce catastrophic engine failure (ask me how the Fuk I know). From a resale perspective the recall NOT being done may be problematic so just staying clear of those cars altogether is a lot safer.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TommyW

To clarify, Recall work can produce catastrophic engine failure (ask me how the Fuk I know). From a resale perspective the recall NOT being done may be problematic so just staying clear of those cars altogether is a lot safer.

The only place that the recall not being done could be an issue at resale is California. Mind you it could be a total show stopper as far as selling the car there though.
The rest of the U.S. and all of Canada just don't care if the recall is done or not.