"Underpowered"... compared to...?

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Funny thing is that that numbers are much more important than this forum says they are numbers can and usually do translate into real world situations....and bringing up the boss 302 is pretty stupid....even if the twins had more power it would slaughter them around any track...

Yes and no. I recall the GT500 came out about 6 years ago and I had my SCCA SS legal C5Z06. People brought them to our local 1.65 mile road course expecting to smoke cars like mine because the magazines said it would. The magazines left off after lap3 you will have no brakes and go backwards into the fence when you can't get down to the proper apex speed. Seen at least three of them do this even after the warning about the first one.

I would love a Boss 302, neat car as you get the good handling and power thought price is a bit higher than I would pay.

[ed209]

don't need a boss to go around corners fast, my GT with d-specs and steeda ultralites will out grip a boss all day...

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by Shizuma

You can easily surpass the EPA numbers on any car depending on how you drive it, I've gotten 500 miles on a tank on my BRZ, over 38MPG, I also got a bit over 500 miles on a tank on my Magnum RT before, about 27 MPG and it's highway EPA is 23 MPG.

lol but epa of a new 3.7L mustang is 30mpgs highway, a number none of my mustang friends can actually get even on loooooong trips...

[ed209]

lol, whatever you say bro. i put down 427 to the wheels and i get 27+ on the highway at 70-75.

[Sleeperz]

Someone needs to take a FRS/BRZ to VIR.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html

But on the list what has an FRS/BRZ been already proven faster?
91. Honda S2000
78. Ford Mustang V6?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

lol but epa of a new 3.7L mustang is 30mpgs highway, a number none of my mustang friends can actually get even on loooooong trips...

im going to direct you to their choice of rear end?

[ABQautoxer]

Originally Posted by Sleeperz

Someone needs to take a FRS/BRZ to VIR.

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/vi...l_raceway.html

But on the list what has an FRS/BRZ been already proven faster?
91. Honda S2000
78. Ford Mustang V6?

You mean like this?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7764

[Sleeperz]

Bone stock fast lap is 2:24.83 is like #2 ??.
If that is true it should be added to the list but probably a shorter track?

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

You mean like this?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7764

http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/wi...of_willow.html

26. Subaru BRZ 1:30.32
32. Scion FRS 1:31.15

Faster than lots of higher power cars.

[ABQautoxer]

I think it's safe to say the website isn't kept up to date. Mylaps.com if you can find the right events, shows real world laptimes but usually for prep'd cars.

[Razz]

Originally Posted by Snozzberries

Compare this car to any other in the corners or with the back end out and tell me what it does not beat. The car can hang with Porches on down hills. Lets be real, this car is amazingly engineered and no one cares about how fast you can do the quarter when you are throwing third gear sweepers. No disrespect to you, but I think this whole under powered statement is a cop out. For 25k can you show me another car that can handle and drive like this car?

RX8, Mazda 3 Miata Mx5 and I can go on and on....

[Razz]

Originally Posted by ABQautoxer

I think it's safe to say the website isn't kept up to date. Mylaps.com if you can find the right events, shows real world laptimes but usually for prep'd cars.

That is correct as I have beat the BRZ/FRS times with my RX 8

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by Tbomb 25

Im with you on the Challenger v6 but not the RT, a SRT8 Chally, a Boss 302 or a Camaro ZL1 wouldnt see tailights to any civic or fiesta on any track or autocross course. Again i think everyone is confusing a poorly set up heavy car verses a well set up large car.

What are you even talking about? Why are you even bringing those cars up in this conversation?

Really? $40,000+ performance oriented cars will blow away 20-25K cars? Shocker!

....and bringing up the boss 302 is pretty stupid....

*You* brought up the Boss 302. For what reason I can't imagine. I was talking about the V-6 Track Pack Mustang which has been compared to the BRZ/FRS in multiple occasions.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you just posted something, then 3 posts later called bring that up was stupid. Wow.

[Superhatch]

Originally Posted by Razz

RX8, Mazda 3 Miata Mx5 and I can go on and on....

Can you go on and on about other cars in it's price range, in stock trim beating it? Just curious since you said you can go on and on...

While I really like both the RX8 and the MX5, I think the BRZ has advantage over both of them. If stock/stock their lap times are similar the mpg of the BRZ romps on the RX8 ( http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/rx-8 = 15-17mpg average!!!) and the extra space in the BRZ/FRS is greatly appreciated when using it as a daily driver over the MX5.

I view the BRZ/FRS as a very strong car in many different areas. Good trunk/storage space for a coupe. Very good mileage for a DD. Very solid chassis as a basis for a track or auto-x car. You can argue that the Mustang does those things, but the real world MPG for the V-6 is low 20s vs the high 20's of the BRZ.

We can argue about track times all day long, but at the end of the day the majority of owners might take this car to an event once a year on average, so as an overall view of the car's capability it's almost a moot point. The real world ability of this car is very hard to beat.

[pacent]

Back on topic, when I drove this car during the Scion mini-autox driving event, I knew it was going to feel underpowered compared to my current car, but I was still expecting more out of it.

Perhaps it had to do with how linear the powerband was...all my previous and current cars had either been turbo'ed or were high revving motors with variable valve timing.