All-new 2023 Nissan Z makes world debut!

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

What escalated quickly? These prices are dead on what we expected. Manual Supra is probably going to be $60k.

Maybe the MT special edition with the cu later gray or matte white paint and tan interior...

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

^If it doesn't have the LSD and upgraded brakes I'd disagree. HOWEVER, for $10k you can get a pretty nice aftermarket LSD and BBK

Matt Farah from The Smoking Tire claims that the base model does indeed lack the LSD.

Also interesting that they went to a square tire setup in the base (245/45R18 all around, but might be different wheel width and/or offset) vs. staggered in the Performance trim (255/40R19 front and 275/35R19 rear).

[WolfpackS2k]

If the suspension isn't different (and I'm not seeing anything to say it is) that's pretty odd.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Lightest trim according the Savagegeese is 3486 lbs (for base manual). According to their dash shots it looks like the gearing/final drive of the manual are the same as the 370z (which one Nissan rep said they share the same gearbox with some minor updates in synchros for 1st and 2nd).

Hagerty with Cammisa drag raced an automatic Z with a Supra (presumably the 3 liter version) and a Mustang Mach 1, and the Z lost by quite a margin. Then they drag raced the manual Z with the automatic Z and the manual was slower still (which is to be expected with modern automatics).

I haven't read/watched too many reviews, but Savagegeese have praised the updates on the new Z vs. the 370z.

Look back a few posts.
The "quite a margin" was 30 feet.
The video ended with them saying that if the Z had proper tires so the launch control actually worked it would have been right up there with the other two.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Teseo

That escalated quickly... I can see dealerships jacking up the prices. Wonder how much cost the manual Zupra

I agree.

I think the Supra is a better value for $50k. More premium chassis and construction. Smaller/lighter. Active diff, active suspension, probably a better auto, pretty sure there are more premium features.

The $41k is nice for a base model, so someone can modify it, as they feel, but I still think $36-38k would have been justified, as equipped. The $11k price hike is hard to swallow.

I wonder how much of their pricing is because of the supply chains and to capitalize on the price hikes, so dealers don't take all the money. They can always lower the prices later.

[Arthur-A]

Active diff - is a downside actually. Nothing beats a proper mechanical LSD.

[gymratter]

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...g-review.1151/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Active diff - is a downside actually. Nothing beats a proper mechanical LSD.

The mechanical LSD in the 360z wasn’t great. The new one isn’t mechanical. It is a Haldex unit. The active diff in the Supra is better.

https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/maga...ferential.html

[WolfpackS2k]

So they went from viscous to haldex? Even though its stated in every publication to be "mechanical"?

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The mechanical LSD in the 360z wasn’t great. The new one isn’t mechanical. It is a Haldex unit. The active diff in the Supra is better.

https://www.bmw-m.com/en/topics/maga...ferential.html

Where's the info about the haldex diff? I checked out couple of sources and they say the new Z will have clutch type diff.

Nissan's viscous diffs are not great, for sure. And yeah, active might be better compared to the viscous type.

But still, nothing beats proper mechanical (as in clutch or helical) diff.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Where's the info about the haldex diff? I checked out couple of sources and they say the new Z will have clutch type diff.

Nissan's viscous diffs are not great, for sure. And yeah, active might be better compared to the viscous type.

But still, nothing beats proper mechanical (as in clutch or helical) diff.

When OEMs say clutch diff, they mean an active diff with an actuated clutch pack. No manufacturer will put an aftermarket style clutch LSD in a factory road car.

[Arthur-A]

Well, if the clutch pack is actuated by a solenoid and in the end the diff locks properly - who cares if it's not 100 mechanical?
And if it's not good, just throw it out, buy Cuso, Kaaz, OS Giken, etc diff and enjoy.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by gymratter

SavageGeese Video

So......

I have to say that this video is beginning to change my mind a bit. The rear 3/4 views are great. I love the interior, although maybe a little over the top on the color coordination.

And when they show the front 3/4 view at actual people height, its ALMOST OK. Still the grill is too tall and the bottom corners are too much plastic.

I think if they managed to design so that front grill was either the top or bottom half and then extended to the ends, I would have liked it better.

The detailed mechanical overview in this video provided great detail without the hype.

Very well done.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

So......

I have to say that this video is beginning to change my mind a bit. The rear 3/4 views are great. I love the interior, although maybe a little over the top on the color coordination.

And when they show the front 3/4 view at actual people height, its ALMOST OK. Still the grill is too tall and the bottom corners are too much plastic.

I think if they managed to design so that front grill was either the top or bottom half and then extended to the ends, I would have liked it better.

The detailed mechanical overview in this video provided great detail without the hype.

Very well done.

Have zero issues with the shape or size of the grill in fact I rather like it. It is just those huge open blank spaces on either side begging to have something in them. It is like they saw the gapping maws of the new twins and said "OH HELL NO JUST LEAVE THEM EMPTY"
No doubt the aftermarket will come up with some fogs or vents or at least trim to fill them in.

What I am overjoyed to see is that they reduced the size, flush mounted and used the body colour on the door handles. Those were one of the things that put me off buying back when I was shopping around. Door handles should not be the first thing that draws your eye.