Vivid Racing - Agency Power Dyno Runs Part III

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by kwood9000

Still would like to see a Dyno without the AP pulley to see what the exhaust system gains.

They still haven't posted that?!?! I swear they said they were going to?

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

They still haven't posted that?!?! I swear they said they were going to?

It was supposed to go up monday.

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I should stop by a buddys MD and do a pull.. "look at my 240whp STOCK BRZ!!! OMG!"

You are supposed to be the voice of reason as a moderator. I made that statement because of how rediculous it is. I have two minor modifications, and to me what I said sounds as rediculous as what has been said about the quality of this exhaust system, but not quite as bad as a moderator that indulges in what he is supposed to prevent. I'm done with this thread untill after the tenth.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by EZWood

You are supposed to be the voice of reason as a moderator. I made that statement because of how rediculous it is. I have two minor modifications, and to me what I said sounds as rediculous as what has been said about the quality of this exhaust system, but not quite as bad as a moderator that indulges in what he is supposed to prevent. I'm done with this thread untill after the tenth.

You clearly missed the point. The point was that a dyno can read high or low and the numbers themselves don't mean anything. The differential is what matters.

In other words, everyone needs to stop being so concerned with peak numbers, they don't mean *anything*.

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

You clearly missed the point. The point was that a dyno can read high or low and the numbers themselves don't mean anything. The differential is what matters.

In other words, everyone needs to stop being so concerned with peak numbers, they don't mean *anything*.

I didn't miss anything, peak horsepower isn't the end all, be all. Midrange is more useable in every day driving, but peak horsepower does mean something. If you don't look at the whole picture you are limiting your perspective, and if Dyno numbers don't mean anything, why then do we run our cars on them to get power numbers? There is nothing for you to prove to me. I'm just here trying to help Educate others with my experience. Isn't that why we are all here? To find information on what others have experienced with the same car we have, and find help on what course of action we should take for our cars. That's why I am here.

[denkigrve]

They posted each piece individually, and then some combination pieces, and then all exhaust + pulley. What more do you guys want/need. There is officially more information in this thread than any other exhaust thread.

It's still the same few people causing issues here. It's geting a little ridiculous.

[kwood9000]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

They posted each piece individually, and then some combination pieces, and then all exhaust + pulley. What more do you guys want/need. There is officially more information in this thread than any other exhaust thread.

It's still the same few people causing issues here. It's geting a little ridiculous.

As the pulley appears to have a significant gain, I would like to see a dyno run with only the exhaust kit and no pulley to remove the affect of the pulley and get a true impact of the exhaust. Not sure why this is so difficult to do. Having the pulley added seems to inflate the numbers. I cannot compare this exhaust with others when the pulley is added.

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by E92M3Guy

You make some great points and I'm sure you have good intentions. I wanted to clarify that so the noobs wouldn't walk away with the wrong information.

Much appreciated and refreshing

Thank you

[Tainen]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I didn't miss anything, peak horsepower isn't the end all, be all. Midrange is more useable in every day driving, but peak horsepower does mean something. If you don't look at the whole picture you are limiting your perspective, and if Dyno numbers don't mean anything, why then do we run our cars on them to get power numbers? There is nothing for you to prove to me. I'm just here trying to help Educate others with my experience. Isn't that why we are all here? To find information on what others have experienced with the same car we have, and find help on what course of action we should take for our cars. That's why I am here.

I'm not sure you're understanding his point. Your car made what, 177whp stock? Ok, cool. On a different dyno, it might pull 155. or 160. or any number in the world. The baseline number is near meaningless, because every dyno reads significantly different. That 177 number is pretty much the highest baseline number anyone has ever seen, which clues us in, that the dyno seems to read a little higher than the other baseline runs we've seen around the forums. Now with that said, the parts you have (or had) on the car did +24whp. Great. That's a good measurable number, you have your baseline(your control group), your variables (the parts) and your test (the runs with parts). If you look at this from basic science perspective, the control/baseline doesn't matter- what matters is the differential, the gain.

I hope that helps explain. Basically- I could go run my car on some dyno that reads high and shows 230whp and say I have the fastest BRZ in the world, but the truth is, the only fact we can truly measure and compare is HP gains, not the total number, due to dyno variance and many, many other variables (temp, humidity, etc)

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

They posted each piece individually, and then some combination pieces, and then all exhaust + pulley. What more do you guys want/need. There is officially more information in this thread than any other exhaust thread.

It's still the same few people causing issues here. It's geting a little ridiculous.

FULL exhaust, otherwise stock (read: no pulley), like they promised from the start.

[milenko11]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

FULL exhaust, otherwise stock (read: no pulley), like they promised from the start.

Why bother at this point? Even if their exhaust made 40 whp like they originally tried to claim I wouldn't buy anything from.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I didn't miss anything, peak horsepower isn't the end all, be all. Midrange is more useable in every day driving, but peak horsepower does mean something. If you don't look at the whole picture you are limiting your perspective, and if Dyno numbers don't mean anything, why then do we run our cars on them to get power numbers? There is nothing for you to prove to me. I'm just here trying to help Educate others with my experience. Isn't that why we are all here? To find information on what others have experienced with the same car we have, and find help on what course of action we should take for our cars. That's why I am here.

To see gains/losses. That's the only reason to dyno. Not trying to prove anything to you either. Not attacking vivid or their parts either, nor you allowing your car to be used for further testing.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

They posted each piece individually, and then some combination pieces, and then all exhaust + pulley. What more do you guys want/need. There is officially more information in this thread than any other exhaust thread.

It's still the same few people causing issues here. It's geting a little ridiculous.

What I wanted to see (along with many others who requested it) was each exhaust piece, combinations and then the entire exhaust (port back) with no other changes. Mike was planning on doing that so I'm assuming he just forgot to post the dyno. Since I have no desire to run a pulley the lack of that dyno means he hasn't provided the information I need to make an educated decision in regards to Agency Power's exhaust setup. As for all the butt dyno type stuff, it's worthless. :shrug:

[Lonewolf]

Or maybe Mike got sick of dealing with the same ol bs despite the effort he spent to correct his initial mistake.