Who has future plans to molest their FT-86? (examples inside)

[blur]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

First off, the real CF hoods are stronger then fiber glass and don't spider near as easy under stress, the weight reduction what ever it may be are just a plus, depending on the OEM part

Yea, and the real ones cost a fortune. Ive seen them go for over a thousand. For what? a little bit of cooling and 15 lbs weight reduction?

Its all about the looks man. Therefore, it is Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement. If you were serious about, say cooling or weight reduction, the hood would be LAST on your list of upgrades.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by blur

Yea, and the real ones cost a fortune. Ive seen them go for over a thousand. For what? a little bit of cooling and 15 lbs weight reduction?

Its all about the looks man. Therefore, it is Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement. If you were serious about, say cooling or weight reduction, the hood would be LAST on your list of upgrades.

You've never lifted a stock steel Supra hood have you?

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Yeah, you can always rip out the A/C system entirely, including the Condenser. Better airflow to the radiator and you save weight!

thats a very corolla thing to say. all that needs is a reference to zip ties and it would be complete. makes me miss mine

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by blur

Yea, and the real ones cost a fortune. Ive seen them go for over a thousand. For what? a little bit of cooling and 15 lbs weight reduction?

Its all about the looks man. Therefore, it is Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement. If you were serious about, say cooling or weight reduction, the hood would be LAST on your list of upgrades.

Actually the hood is one of the better means of obtaining better engine cooling via better airflow and heat dissipation.

Functional drop vents aren't there for just looks.
And by your definition, ANY body kit, whether tasteful/functional or not, is also rice.

Also by your standard a $700 catback system isn't worth the power gain in most cars (mainly N/A), as you'll see 5-7 usual, 10 tops. Add in cool-air ($150), header ($300), and hi-flow cat (err...~$100?) and you're talking $1200 for a marginal 15-20hp gain.

I'm getting really sick of how free-spoken the term Rice has become, as it's started, in many the ignorant eyes, to start intruding upon personal customization of a persons personal property (the car) by the negative stigma that comes with the term.

There's tuning your weekend driver/daily with tasteful addons and functional upgrades, and then there's Rice. A REAL CF hood on any car thats being properly tuned for performance is not rice. Is it the best bang for you buck in terms of an upgrade? That really depends on your budget, your car (as dimman said, you've never lifted a Mk3 hood before...its more than 15lbs), and your end goal.

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats a very corolla thing to say. all that needs is a reference to zip ties and it would be complete. makes me miss mine

This made me literally LOL, because its true. What happened to yours man? You know you're not supposed to get rid of it...ever....the pain eventually hits you.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

After a while when you have done tons to help with cooling, there are still instances where your car can over heat or run hot, anything you can do, helps, you may not like it on cars, but your now judging based off your opinion, not functionality, I can understand if over done, or used in a "ricer" type way, but don't be quick to put down stuff just cause it's not of your taste

im not "quick" to put it down but im pretty sure this whole rice thing is people not so stupid putting down the taste of "ricers." any sort of extractor hood would help in heating issues and i still believe that there has never been a car where a carbon fiber hood was the difference between overheating and not.

as an aside, i think at the power levels we are now talking about the ft isnt really in the conversation

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Care to explain or expand on this statement?

well i come from the miata world so 150hp is alot. if you dont have problems keeping power down a wing is creating unnecessary drag. i have a stock motor and 9" wheels so grip dominates power at any speed. when i finally man up and get a rotrex supercharger i will reevaluate my aero needs.

if you just go to a track day and get a feel for the new spoiler you can tell if you like it or not. or do one better and bring a stopwatch. tuning a wing requires a track, not a wind tunnel

[Dimman]

Vented hoods also reduce front end lift. When paired with an undercover (Mk3 Supra's had one, not sure about the Mk4s...) or a sealed undertray it can reduce a LOT of lift, possibly contributing to downforce depending on the rest of the aero situation with almost zero drag penalty.

The cooling benefits of straight-through airflow also extends to power-production on FMIC cars.

Vented carbon hoods are more function than looks, people.

[serialk11r]

Wait so venting has nothing to do with carbon fiber though...you can take the regular metal hood and cut vents into it, doesn't that do the same thing at much lower cost?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im not "quick" to put it down but im pretty sure this whole rice thing is people not so stupid putting down the taste of "ricers." any sort of extractor hood would help in heating issues and i still believe that there has never been a car where a carbon fiber hood was the difference between overheating and not.

as an aside, i think at the power levels we are now talking about the ft isnt really in the conversation

The FT is obviously over 9000, whatchu talkin' mang?

On a serious note, harking back to my previous post, an owners decision to say put a CF drop vent hood (Real) on an AE86 that he's put a refined and tuned suspension, wheels, tires, and done light engine tuning via the usual bolt-on's +, cams and cam gears, and lighten pulleys, topped off with the (amazing) looking J-Blood body kit....is that rice? Because thats exactly where Blur is sounding like he's taking it.

To me thats not rice, thats tasteful tuning of your car because you're a tuner, not just some bloke that buys a fun sports car and calls it the day. Does the hood look good? Yes. Is that all it does? No.

Edit: lol, I'm in the wrong thread...damn tiredness.
Edit Edit: No, wait...I am.
Edit Edit Edit: @serial: No, not entirely. CF does a better job of not trapping heat beneath it, instead, allowing it to breath out better. At least thats why my research has come to find out.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Wait so venting has nothing to do with carbon fiber though...you can take the regular metal hood and cut vents into it, doesn't that do the same thing at much lower cost?

Yes. Look at the Evo 9's stock hood.

But in my and Boostjunkie's cases, are cars are Supras and their hoods are like 50 feet long, so the carbon's weight savings in much more significant than it would be on, for example, a Yaris (however mine's not vented so it's just for the weight savings).

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

This made me literally LOL, because its true. What happened to yours man? You know you're not supposed to get rid of it...ever....the pain eventually hits you.

i was an intern at the time so i didnt have a job. i ended up bending a wheel and control arm and i couldnt justify spending the money to fix it when i had two cars and no job. the miata has a similar spirit and i couldnt justify the intial d tax right now

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

The FT is obviously over 9000, whatchu talkin' mang?

On a serious note, harking back to my previous post, an owners decision to say put a CF drop vent hood (Real) on an AE86 that he's put a refined and tuned suspension, wheels, tires, and done light engine tuning via the usual bolt-on's +, cams and cam gears, and lighten pulleys, topped off with the (amazing) looking J-Blood body kit....is that rice? Because thats exactly where Blur is sounding like he's taking it.

To me thats not rice, thats tasteful tuning of your car because you're a tuner, not just some bloke that buys a fun sports car and calls it the day. Does the hood look good? Yes. Is that all it does? No.

Edit: lol, I'm in the wrong thread...damn tiredness.
Edit Edit: No, wait...I am.
Edit Edit Edit: @serial: No, not entirely. CF does a better job of not trapping heat beneath it, instead, allowing it to breath out better. At least thats why my research has come to find out.

no thats not rice

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Yes. Look at the Evo 9's stock hood.

But in my and Boostjunkie's cases, are cars are Supras and their hoods are like 50 feet long, so the carbon's weight savings in much more significant than it would be on, for example, a Yaris (however mine's not vented so it's just for the weight savings).

yeah a supra has a huge heavy hood. i doubt this will. i do understand it on an older car but you really only save a couple pounds over an al hood. i seem to be catching a lot of heat but im just playing some devils advocate. not all cf hoods are rice but a whole bunch of them are

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah a supra has a huge heavy hood. i doubt this will. i do understand it on an older car but you really only save a couple pounds over an al hood. i seem to be catching a lot of heat but im just playing some devils advocate. not all cf hoods are rice but a whole bunch of them are

Hard to say if the FT will have an aluminum hood at its price point. And it does have a reasonably long hood.

Carbon done right, is never rice. If you think the beautiful, 3d-twill, shimmery sexiness it ricey, add a few grams of paint. A couple of Supra buddies have done this. OEM looking, matching paint, CF hoods. All the weight reduction, none of the flash.