Who has future plans to molest their FT-86? (examples inside)

[BoostJunkie]

First off, the real CF hoods are stronger then fiber glass and don't spider near as easy under stress, the weight reduction what ever it may be are just a plus, depending on the OEM part, the racing seats are mandatory for me as to be able to run under 10 sec I have to have to have a 5 point harness(racing seat)

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

First off, the real CF hoods are stronger then fiber glass and don't spider near as easy under stress, the weight reduction what ever it may be are just a plus, depending on the OEM part, the racing seats are mandatory for me as to be able to run under 10 sec I have to have to have a 5 point harness(racing seat)

thats not the issue. if you have a car in the 10s i would hope you know what you are doing. what is crazy is how people will take a racing seat bolt it to some sliders and have a harness improperly mounted all while the car is caged and they drive around like that daily.

still not a fan of carbon fiber components on modern cars though

[OldSkoolToys]

You can't forget real CF hoods help dissipate heat better. It aids in engine cooling.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

still not a fan of carbon fiber components on modern cars though

Really? For cosmetics only I agree. However nothing beats carbon fiber for light weight and strength. Just look at all the top super cars and their use of carbon fiber. I hate cosmetic carbon fiber, but the real stuff is

[fatoni]

i understand the upsides but i question the cost effectiveness. there are cheaper ways to save weight and keep your car cool. <---hey look a pun

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i understand the upsides but i question the cost effectiveness. there are cheaper ways to save weight and keep your car cool. <---hey look a pun

Yeah, you can always rip out the A/C system entirely, including the Condenser. Better airflow to the radiator and you save weight!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i understand the upsides but i question the cost effectiveness. there are cheaper ways to save weight and keep your car cool. <---hey look a pun

Sure, carbon fiber is $$$$. But there is a reason Ferrari's use it, LFA...etc. It is expensive, but you can shape it and mold it just as you want and have it lighter and stronger than just about anything else.

[BoostJunkie]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i understand the upsides but i question the cost effectiveness. there are cheaper ways to save weight and keep your car cool. <---hey look a pun

After a while when you have done tons to help with cooling, there are still instances where your car can over heat or run hot, anything you can do, helps, you may not like it on cars, but your now judging based off your opinion, not functionality, I can understand if over done, or used in a "ricer" type way, but don't be quick to put down stuff just cause it's not of your taste

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

a rollbar is a horrible idea if you plan to drive on the street. also, its not rocket science how a wing works. you could just use a track day to figure out what settings make you faster. and you would only need a wing if you are having trouble keeping power down otherwise its counter productive

Care to explain or expand on this statement?

[4agze]

speaking of riced out, before going to work I returned an item at frys electronics and saw this lol civic with an STI wing

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Care to explain or expand on this statement?

Wings produce downforce and drag. Downforce has the potential to make you faster into, through and out of corners. Drag will absolutely make you slower in a straight line.

In a trackday/hpde/race situation if your aero package isn't gaining you more time in the corners than it's costing you on the straights then it's counter-productive. Relating that effectiveness to putting power down out of the corners is a bit simplistic, but it's probably not far off. If you don't have enough power to have traction problems, you probably don't have enough power to be dragging around a more aggressive aero package. The more complicated answer is that it depends on the layout of the track and your lift to drag ratio. But that's not something most people have the knowledge or free time to get too deep into.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by old greg

Wings produce downforce and drag. Downforce has the potential to make you faster into, through and out of corners. Drag will absolutely make you slower in a straight line.

In a trackday/hpde/race situation if your aero package isn't gaining you more time in the corners than it's costing you on the straights then it's counter-productive. Relating that effectiveness to putting power down out of the corners is a bit simplistic, but it's probably not far off. If you don't have enough power to have traction problems, you probably don't have enough power to be dragging around a more aggressive aero package. The more complicated answer is that it depends on the layout of the track and your lift to drag ratio. But that's not something most people have the knowledge or free time to get too deep into.

Yeah, I actually understand downforce pretty well. It was that assertion that it's purpose is to put power down that bothered me. The guy's throwing out a lot of opinion but not a lot of fact, and I was going to start with his claim that the requirement for downforce is primarily a power-delivery issue. That's ridiculous.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dimman

and I was going to start with his claim that the requirement for downforce is primarily a power-delivery issue. That's ridiculous.

Depends on what type of racing he was talking about / had on the mind.

Not everyone thinks in circuit racing terms (unfortunately). Though one of the key upsides to downforce in circuit racing is being able to accelerate out of the corner without lighting up your rears.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Depends on what type of racing he was talking about / had on the mind.

Not everyone thinks in circuit racing terms (unfortunately).

He's a Miata driver, so I figured he's probably not drag racing (the only racing that is really relevant to his statement...).