Big brake kit

[LRNAD90]

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40

Ok friend. Enjoy your experiences on track. We'll agree to disagree and move on.

I think it is about time, this horse has been beaten to an unrecognizable state at this point..

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

I think it is about time, this horse has been beaten to an unrecognizable state at this point..

Very much agreed.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by s30series

ever heard of apples to oranges? now we're changing our tune to HPDE ISNT ABOUT SPEED ITS NOT ABOUT WINNING ITS NOT ABOUT SETTING GOOD LAP TIMES.

a BBK installed on an FRS/BRZ unlocks the capability of the car to run faster lap times and longer endurance...that is an ABSOLUTE FACT. You want to argue that? It doesn't matter that someone won a race with stock brakes. sure they did- they won it against other cars with stock brakes. yaaaayyy!

People who want to track their cars and set good PRs with their machine and go faster can 100% utilize a BBK. sorry you cant?

weird that lots of people in this thread- me included--have reached these "limits" you speak of with stock brakes....i guess I didn't have the right pads and fluid in

hurrr durrr

Ok, dude, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Wanna STFU now? If you believe so strongly in a BBK, go buy one and be happy. Otherwise, you're sounding stupider every time I see you talk about big brakes.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Ok, dude, you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Wanna STFU now? If you believe so strongly in a BBK, go buy one and be happy. Otherwise, you're sounding stupider every time I see you talk about big brakes.

You're right!

I along with Essex, Brembo, Subaru, Porsche, *insert company here* know nothing about thermal capacity and how it relates to braking performance.

oh well. back to the track with my single pot calipers

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by s30series

You're right!

I along with Essex, Brembo, Subaru, Porsche, *insert company here* know nothing about thermal capacity and how it relates to braking performance.

oh well. back to the track with my single pot calipers

Good now GTFO and shut up.

[s30series]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Good now GTFO and shut up.

Roger that Mr. Jabai!

[Lightened]

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by s30series

Roger that Mr. Jabai!

Don't forget this: stock brakes are perfectly fine for 99% of drivers.

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by s30series

Because you don't know what it means to taco something?

I know what tacoing' is.
Show me a single reputable post where somebody taco'ed their rotors?

[s30series]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

I know what tacoing' is.
Show me a single reputable post where somebody taco'ed their rotors?

You're right- I didn't mean tacoing a rotor- that'd be interesting.

However if you do a search for "taco" using the search function, you'll see "reputable" member posting about limitation of stock brakes including "tacoing"

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by s30series

You're right- I didn't mean tacoing a rotor- that'd be interesting.

Yeah it took me a bit to try to imagine how that could happen.
Sombrero'ing a rotor sounds easier.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by s30series

You're right- I didn't mean tacoing a rotor- that'd be interesting.

However if you do a search for "taco" using the search function, you'll see "reputable" member posting about limitation of stock brakes including "tacoing"

Same guy also quoted you saying stock brakes are fine with pads and fluid. He's just a development driver. I don't know if that trumps your two days as an HPDE instructor at PEC Atlanta or not

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...1&postcount=13

[Ultramaroon]

Take that, Beotch.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by s30series

I along with Essex, Brembo, Subaru, Porsche, *insert company here* know nothing about thermal capacity and how it relates to braking performance.

oh well. back to the track with my single pot calipers

If they work, why not?!

You are arguing against points no one is making. Of course much bigger rotors with fixed 4-piston calipers and much bigger pads are going to have more thermal capacity. But the dinky base-model stock rotors and calipers, with appropriate pads and fluid, have more than enough thermal capacity for *most* people tracking these cars at HPDEs.

I don't think anyone has made the argument that BBK serve no function for anyone. For sure if you are doing endurance events, or have significantly greater than stock hp, or significant downforce, you're a lot more likely to need moar brakeage!

But as for actual *performance*, as in rate of deceleration, BBK isn't going to do anything for you in terms of decreasing lap times over a short stint. If brakes aren't cooked and front/rear balance is good, deceleration is a function of tire grip, period. This is my world, I run A052 tires for time trials competition, and they just aren't up to extended sessions. I got the PP Brembo BRZ for two reasons: 1) ease of pad swaps and 2) they look kick-ass. Unfortunately my club has (misguidedly!) saddled down Brembo-equipped 1st-gen FT86s with +60 lb. vs. base models :'( B.S., I'd rather have base brakes and run 60 lb. lighter...