Really, which is faster AT vs MT?

[Ultramaroon]

People who defend buying this car with auto transmissions are the worst. They don't even have the courage to stand up for what's right.

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by ozafar

Calm down dude. We all agree the it’s great to get a manual, but you don’t have to get all worked up for some of us that buy autos. You don’t know their training and it’s kinda unfair to put anyone down for wanting an auto.

I’ve owned gen1 manual and auto, and I’m as fast at Autobahn North as the fastest time posted on your link for best track times. (And that was a heavily modified car, similar to mine).

Point is, no need to be so brazen. Plenty of reasons to buy a manual, and plenty to buy an auto.

I don't think he was quite as serious as you took it..

[zeroomega]

I think both AT and MT has the same engine tune (at least for 1st gen pre 2017). So if you just drag race them, which one is faster really depends on the gearing ratio and shifting speed. So there won't be a definite answer.

On the race track pushing for lap times, MT is likely to have lower lap time with a pro driver due to better gearing ratio and no overheating which happens a lot on AT 86s. Unlike some other performance car with AT transmission, like A90 Supra. The AT on 86 twins are not particularly fast in shifting and the ratio is more tuned for fuel economy, which does not always put engine in its most powerful band.

But still, I feel you are worrying about the drag race results between a MT and AT 86, you are buying the wrong car. There are some other similar priced cars which are more suitable for these tasks.

[HKz]

The 5 HP difference with the first gen was nothing, it was all gearing..I had both with first gen, automatic was definitely slower. 2nd gen supposedly uses pretty much same ratios between MT and AT. So yes if MT driver is slow at downshifting, the new AT GR86 could definitely beat a MT GR86. But if they are racing off the line you would have to be pretty bad at shifting to lose to the AT being that it is heavier and shifting speeds aren't incredibly fast.

[gen3v8]

Originally Posted by HKz

The 5 HP difference with the first gen was nothing, it was all gearing.

The 5hp was at the crank, So nothing to do with the type of transmission or its ratios.

[CedN]

There was a Japanese video put up in a thread somewhere here where they drag raced a gr86 against several cars, including MT vs AT. The mt had a little edge, but a tenth here and there, what does it even matter. For me the manual shifting of these cars is part of the reason i have it, but others might habe other préférences, so chose whatever you want, just try it first

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

People who defend buying this car with auto transmissions are the worst. They don't even have the courage to stand up for what's right.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by chikubi

Most auto mags etc. that have tested both place the auto about a second slower than the manual. The auto’s good, but it’s not faster than the manual.

This is correct, the AT in the twins is slower than the MT. It’s a slushbox, not a dedicated performance box like a DCT or even the amazing ZF 8sp, plus the AT gearing is designed for economy rather than acceleration. Toyobaru just aren’t that concerned with trying to make the AT quick, so unlike most sports cars these days, the twins are one of those rare cases where the MT is still quicker than the AT.

[Tcoat]

[fredzy]

Originally Posted by Red-86

This is correct, the AT in the twins is slower than the MT. It’s a slushbox, not a dedicated performance box like a DCT or even the amazing ZF 8sp, plus the AT gearing is designed for economy rather than acceleration. Toyobaru just aren’t that concerned with trying to make the AT quick, so unlike most sports cars these days, the twins are one of those rare cases where the MT is still quicker than the AT.

I did enjoy that one Japanese Youtube video where their AT BRZ was dominating everything. They should have rolled with it and continued on with faked wins against increasingly absurd competition. Like in the movie Unbreakable when they kept adding weight and he just kept being able to lift it.

Took me a min to find the video

[spcmafia]

Feels like we're going full circle, back to the MT/AT comparisons on a new gen. What's next, Supercharger and Turbo comparisons?

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

Feels like we're going full circle, back to the MT/AT comparisons on a new gen. What's next, Supercharger and Turbo comparisons?

Sounds fun. You start. I'll pick the other. Go!

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Sounds fun. You start. I'll pick the other. Go!

Turbo is better because it goes STUTUTUTUTU.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

Turbo is better because it goes STUTUTUTUTU.

Turbo lag sucks. Supercharger whine sounds better too. Ok. That was fun.

/thread