Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

We get it. The car is too long. You've said it enough times.

Hmm, I don't think you do get it. It's not that the car is "too long", and I don't think I've ever said that...

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Hmm, I don't think you do get it. It's not that the car is "too long", and I don't think I've ever said that...

Oh, please explain it again.

[sds]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Oh, please explain it again.

The weight distribution is off by 12 lbs and he can feel it.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by EAGLE5

Oh, please explain it again.

Rear wheels (and to a lesser extent fronts as well) are located quite aft for an FR sports car, resulting in awkward look and shite weight distribution. Would be a big improvement to have the rear wheels moved a good 6"-10" forward (perhaps move fronts slightly forward as well) relative to c.g.

Originally Posted by sds

The weight distribution is off by 12 lbs and he can feel it.

It's off by more like +150 lb front/-150 lb. rear vs. 50/50 (and 50/50 isn't ideal, more rearward is better). Yes, I can feel understeer due to front tires being overloaded at the track, and also relatively heavy front and light rear tire wear bears witness to this. Ability to put hp down at the wheels exiting low-speed corners is also an issue affecting performance at the track, though not a huge factor in the dry at stockish power...

[Dirty Harry]

Well I originally thought looks, but seeing one in person today and wow, the new one looks way better in person. The front and side skirts which I wasn’t too sure about come together better than I thought. Booked in for a test drive next weekend.

Pic below and old vs new.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry

Well I originally thought looks, but seeing one in person today and wow, the new one looks way better in person. The front and side skirts which I wasn’t too sure about come together better than I thought. Booked in for a test drive next weekend.

Pic below and old vs new.

i find it funny how you essentially modded your wheels to what the newest gen comes with as standard

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i find it funny how you essentially modded your wheels to what the newest gen comes with as standard

Funnily enough the salesman said a similar thing. 9 spoke vs 10 and mine is a bit more concave, but yeah very similar style.

[bcj]

It's OG yo

[soundman98]

just call me takumi and everyone'll love it.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Rear wheels (and to a lesser extent fronts as well) are located quite aft for an FR sports car, resulting in awkward look and shite weight distribution. Would be a big improvement to have the rear wheels moved a good 6"-10" forward (perhaps move fronts slightly forward as well) relative to c.g.

Ah yeah - moving the rear wheels forward is a dramatic improvement. o.O

It's off by more like +150 lb front/-150 lb. rear vs. 50/50 (and 50/50 isn't ideal, more rearward is better). Yes, I can feel understeer due to front tires being overloaded at the track, and also relatively heavy front and light rear tire wear bears witness to this. Ability to put hp down at the wheels exiting low-speed corners is also an issue affecting performance at the track, though not a huge factor in the dry at stockish power...

I get what you're saying, but I just gotta bust your chops a hair is all. Yeah, it's front biased. The push on the track is intentional because most of these aren't driven on the track. And even then, it's so easy to rotate the car on the power that it's eminently manageable. Could it benefit from having the weight be more rear biased? Sure. But it's not what they set out to do.

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by Dake

Ah yeah - moving the rear wheels forward is a dramatic improvement. o.O

That's overly exaggerated, but yeah, moving rear wheels a bit forward would be nice both in terms of looks and handling.

This is much better IMO

[Dake]

What is the white car (I can't quite put my finger on it)?

[Jegan_V]

Originally Posted by Dake

What is the white car (I can't quite put my finger on it)?

Nissan S15, or the final Nissan SX which North America never saw.

[Dake]

Ah yeah, that's it.

So it is interesting though. According to teh internets the S15 was 8" longer than the Toyobaru (despite having a 2" shorter wheelbase). The rear wheels on the Twins couldn't be moved forward any further without impeding into the passenger compartment (as my silly 'shop shows - that's only about 7.5" of change), this means the car would need to be stretched and in doing so would gain weight (While the S15 had a slightly lower curb weight, it also predates numerous safety requirements), and probably lose some rigidity.

Just for reference, the s15 was only an inch shorter than a modern BMW M2 which has a wheelbase of 106" compared to the Nissan's 99.4 and weighs 3600lbs.

From an aesthetic standpoint (and while I do like the Nissan), I think it has a hair too much rear overhang - and the dimensions seem to support that.