Is The New BRZ Better Than An S2000? | Real World Test Drive And Impressions

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

I've never been a fan of the Vtec ... in that you have to rev it high to get the gumption /HP/torque out of it.

The FA20/24 isn’t much different. It was meant to rev the nuts off.

[Adam_L]

Yeah, I'm hearing you. I'm not so sure if Subaru and Honda share the same philosophy in terms of getting the most HP/torque out of their engines, or not ( in terms of how their VVT works). Possibly Mitsubishi is sort of similar to Honda. I know Toyota leans closer to getting the most MPG out of the engine primarily, secondarily is HP/torque. BMW seems to be more so HP/torque focus , MPG secondarily. Every manufacture has a different set of goals /objectives in regards to VVT.

[nikitopo]

Wanna see a serious 2.4L engine? ~255ps (+40 ps from stock engine) @8000 rpm:



Source: https://www.toda-racing.co.jp/en/pro...comp-f20c.html

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Yeah, I'm hearing you. I'm not so sure if Subaru and Honda share the same philosophy in terms of getting the most HP/torque out of their engines, or not ( in terms of how their VVT works). Possibly Mitsubishi is sort of similar to Honda. I know Toyota leans closer to getting the most MPG out of the engine primarily, secondarily is HP/torque. BMW seems to be more so HP/torque focus , MPG secondarily. Every manufacture has a different set of goals /objectives in regards to VVT.

Its a little different in that the old VTEC motors had 2 camshaft profiles which switched between each other when you hit a specific RPM. It gave the motor a jekyl & hyde characteristic. Below that RPM switchover, the car wouldnt feel any different than any other econobox with low torque and low horsepower.
Above that RPM switchover you got a mini turbo-like kick that gave you an immediate 30 or so HP boost, which pulled strong to redline.
It was the same with the Toyota 2ZZ motor.

I believe these were just a way to get big power out of small displacement motors.

I dont think any other motor uses a 2 camshaft profile system anymore, and with the progress of the VVT-i system the power delivery has become alot more linear instead of the on/off feeling of those aformentioned motors.
Plus with trying to meet a price/performance/fuel economy balance, its hard to justify utilizing those systems. Once you hit "vtec yo" the motor will be chugging air/gas like a larger engine. Heck a turbo gives you a similar sensation, but with more kick and more power.

I think the FA20 feels somewhat similar only because the torque dip drops the power right before it gets back to normal at 5000ish rpm, in which case you then feel a gradual increase of power until redline.

But in both cases you have to rev the everliving shit out of the motors to get power.

For me, I enjoy the high revving nature of such motors.

[nikitopo]

Exactly. In fact S2K's engine is more driver friendly with the two profile cams. If you swapped the cams in a 86/BRZ and you were lucky to not have a ticking bomb, then you would realise you have a breathless engine in city driving. People complaining in general that S2K is not a daily driver's car they wouldn't appreciate a Boxster either.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Exactly. In fact S2K's engine is more driver friendly with the two profile cams. If you swapped the cams in a 86/BRZ and you were lucky to not have a ticking bomb, then you would realise you have a breathless engine in city driving. People complaining in general that S2K is not a daily driver's car they wouldn't appreciate a Boxster either.

The S2K is pretty gutless below 6K. Boxster is a much more low-rev friendly car.

[tiger1964]

Originally Posted by Kona61

The S2K is pretty gutless below 6K. Boxster is a much more low-rev friendly car.

Yes, but only to a degree.