Any good reason to stick with 1st Gen? - Page 11 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Capt Spaulding · 09-24-2021, 05:00 PM

Movin on up? Naahh, don't think so. It about what your econ 101 prof called "opportunity cost" and the TA referred to as "guns or butter." Even if you have the money, money you DoN'T spend on a new car is money you can spend on something else. I like that idea. I've spent the last 6 years and a bit of cash making my Bee Are Zed think it's a GT car. I'm a set of Bilstein B6s (and possibly FRS rear springs) away from accomplishing that.

Covid put a hold on our GTing plans. I'm planning on installing B6s after the first of the year, getting our Moderna boosters, a gross of masks, and setting out once again to "See the USA, in our Chevr.... BRZ."

soundman98 · 09-24-2021, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PorscheUnlimited16

Let me say it boys. The ones that says their first Gen is better then the 2nd can’t afford the 2nd.

nikitopo · 09-25-2021, 06:30 AM

“If money is not an issue, what are good reasons to stick with 1st Gen over 2nd Gen”

Not available in all markets, but 1st gen was offering a bare bones model with a weight of less than 2635 lbs. Weight could go even lower, but it was interesting to see how factory managed it. I was lucky to get one and to modify it with selected STi and GR parts without going on the heavy side. So, it is a personal item now. If Subaru offers again a bare bones model, then I might have second thoughts.

ZDan · 09-25-2021, 09:39 AM

NGL, there is one thing that may cause me to stick with 1st-gen, or at least delay getting a 2nd-gen:

soundman98 · 09-25-2021, 10:22 AM

the self-closing doors?

ZDan · 09-25-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by soundman98

the self-closing doors?

They must have fixed that issue by 2017. I park pointed uphill at home and my door stays open.

nikitopo · 09-26-2021, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

NGL, there is one thing that may cause me to stick with 1st-gen, or at least delay getting a 2nd-gen

In which category will you compete with a 2.4 liter engine? I was hearing that in Japan will raise some issues comparing to the 2.0 liter, because there aren't many engines with similar displacement.

Stonehorsw · 09-27-2021, 10:59 PM

ZDan · 09-28-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

In which category will you compete with a 2.4 liter engine? I was hearing that in Japan will raise some issues comparing to the 2.0 liter, because there aren't many engines with similar displacement.

With my club (COMSCC), points are assigned based on the platform, mods, and power/weight. Pretty sure I could tailor mods to the 2nd-gen 2.4 liter to remain in my preferred class, or bump up a class if necessary. But given that it's time trials and not w2w, my approach is more to build/mod the car as I want to and then try to make it fit in a class. 2.4 powah and torque appeal to me particularly after Watkins Glen. Perhaps I should just supacharge the gen-1, but in that case a supercharged gen-2 should be that much better still, so...

Sasquachulator · 09-28-2021, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

NGL, there is one thing that may cause me to stick with 1st-gen, or at least delay getting a 2nd-gen:

Im gonna guess the "oh shit' style grab handle/door handle

ZDan · 09-28-2021, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Im gonna guess the "oh shit' style grab handle/door handle

Abso-F-ing-lutely. I've been accused of being a big 2nd-gen fanboi on multiple occasions (hatas gon' hate!) but when I saw the new door interior with no grab-handle, my heart sank like a stone...

Sweet baby jeebus Subaru, I just dunno...

Dake · 09-28-2021, 06:26 PM

Yup, same.

Yoshoobaroo · 09-28-2021, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

Abso-F-ing-lutely. I've been accused of being a big 2nd-gen fanboi on multiple occasions (hatas gon' hate!) but when I saw the new door interior with no grab-handle, my heart sank like a stone...

Sweet baby jeebus Subaru, I just dunno...

Why is this a big deal? I don't get it. The door handle is a different style, so deal breaker?

Pete · 09-28-2021, 06:31 PM

Yeah, I'd prefer the old style handle as well. I wonder if this is one of those small things they did to try to bring the cog lower? If so, I'd still prefer the old style handle.

While we are griping about the interior, I am also not in love with the center console lid. I know the old one did not even have a lid on it, but I was able to get an aftermarket armrest that was pretty great. I can't do that this time.

pic of the old armrest:

09-24-2021, 05:00 PM	#141
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Pete Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ Location: Houston, TX Posts: 615 Thanks: 1,341 Thanked 478 Times in 230 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah, I'd prefer the old style handle as well. I wonder if this is one of those small things they did to try to bring the cog lower? If so, I'd still prefer the old style handle. While we are griping about the interior, I am also not in love with the center console lid. I know the old one did not even have a lid on it, but I was able to get an aftermarket armrest that was pretty great. I can't do that this time. pic of the old armrest: __________________ 2013 FRS -> 2011 CTS-V -> 2006 Cayman S -> 2015 GTI -> 2022 BRZ

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nikitopo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: '15 BRZ RA Location: Greece Posts: 3,787 Thanks: 2,417 Thanked 1,947 Times in 1,263 Posts Mentioned: 29 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	“If money is not an issue, what are good reasons to stick with 1st Gen over 2nd Gen” Not available in all markets, but 1st gen was offering a bare bones model with a weight of less than 2635 lbs. Weight could go even lower, but it was interesting to see how factory managed it. I was lucky to get one and to modify it with selected STi and GR parts without going on the heavy side. So, it is a personal item now. If Subaru offers again a bare bones model, then I might have second thoughts.

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