NA first drive days for BRZ? This week?

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by ayau

Wouldn’t look too much into the “carry over” phrase. It was probably written by someone in Subaru North America marketing.

Fact is that Subaru attempted to improve the car, Toyota decided to deliberately design toe-out on compression into the rear axle by sticking to the old subframe and tweaking the bushings. They caught flak with it for the Supra, I suspect they will on this platform too.

[trippinbillies40]

Have we considered that we might not have seen all the reviews yet? I would imagine a possibility exists that the more popular reviewers may have been given a car to go do as they please with instead of just laps at Lime Rock, so we might see better comparison videos coming? Who knows.

[AnalogMan]

These might already be posted elsewhere (I couldn't find them), these are the first drive reviews I've seen on the second-generation BRZ (as opposed to all the reviews of the 86 hat have been out for a while):

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/08/30/...z-first-drive/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...aru-brz-drive/

https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/42...ded-more-power

EDIT: I see now there are numerous reviews popping up on line; it seems they're all being posted now or within the past 24 hours.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Motor trend:

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...ve-review/amp/

the Toyota gives you the impression you're pushing hard without getting too far past the speed limit, while the BRZ feels like it could always go faster.

Edit: god I hate everyone perpetuating the misinformation that it’s an NA version of the Ascent’s FA24F. It’s not. The FA24D is a bored out FA20D.

[dragoontwo]

Can't remember which web review site it was, but some of the comments said the engine noise speaker was the reason not to buy this car.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Can't remember which web review site it was, but some of the comments said the engine noise speaker was the reason not to buy this car.

Sounds like the kind of person who severely complains about a ton of small things. The sound is not overpowering, it's pleasant, and we all know about 30 seconds after the first few are delivered someone will figure out how to unplug it.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Can't remember which web review site it was, but some of the comments said the engine noise speaker was the reason not to buy this car.

Lol. Imagine not buying a car because you don’t feel like unplugging a speaker.

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Can't remember which web review site it was, but some of the comments said the engine noise speaker was the reason not to buy this car.

I hope there's a way to disable that, either a factory setting, or aftermarket hack.

As silly as it might sound, that would be a deal-breaker for me. I just couldn't live with myself, every time I got into the car knowing that the engine 'sound' I was hearing was fake, piped in through the speakers.

It's just so wrong. Especially on what's supposed to be a pure, elemental sports car.

[Pete]

https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/42...e-toyota-gr-86

Talks about the differences between the two, not much of substance tbh though.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Fact is that Subaru attempted to improve the car, Toyota decided to deliberately design toe-out on compression into the rear axle by sticking to the old subframe and tweaking the bushings. They caught flak with it for the Supra, I suspect they will on this platform too.

Well to be fair to Toyota, its probably their view that they tried to improve the car after not liking the overall car dynamics as they were pretty much the same as the BRZ at one point.

The initial reviews have been very positive for the GR86, not everyone will like the more buttoned down rear end as a fun track car - new is not always better.

Remember, lotus, who are completely anal about weight reduction, have kept a heavy iron wheel knuckle across the elise, exige, evora... They believe in it, even though thing like the last evora is fully aluminium and composite materials - except the wheel knuck.

So I think there is something to consider about selecting older tech for specific reasons.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

Fact is that Subaru attempted to improve the car, Toyota decided to deliberately design toe-out on compression into the rear axle by sticking to the old subframe and tweaking the bushings. They caught flak with it for the Supra, I suspect they will on this platform too.

Based on all the new BRZ reviews, next to none of the reviewers seem to be capable of truly doing track driving or drive at a high level.

This is a stark contrast to Toyota who had guys like Matt Farah, Jason Cammisa and such who can hoon a car properly around a track.

This makes me think the BRZ is just understeery at the limit compared to the GR86 which is more eager to have the backend step out on entry. This latter part is key for someone like me who will do autocross and time attack. The BRZ's tendency to bore me will ... well ... bore me. At least the GR86 means I'll have to dial back some of the oversteer with an alignment which is what I'm definitely doing as soon as I prep for any sort of competition.

GR86 is the real win for me for competition or serious lap times.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I hope there's a way to disable that, either a factory setting, or aftermarket hack.

As silly as it might sound, that would be a deal-breaker for me. I just couldn't live with myself, every time I got into the car knowing that the engine 'sound' I was hearing was fake, piped in through the speakers.

It's just so wrong. Especially on what's supposed to be a pure, elemental sports car.

Just a little information on the sound enhancer.

According to the engineers, the sound frequencies generated by the engine are pumped into the cabin with specific ranges of those frequencies being amplified over others. I cant remember the range off hand, but there were two ranges in particular they enhanced.

So while this still might be unacceptable for people, and they might want to disconnect the speaker (as of course many will), the actual noise you hear isnt like say a computer game noise, or an electric car noise which is completely manufactured, this is still engine/intake noise from machinery operating in the car affected by every bump, your slip of the clutch, etc. etc.

[trippinbillies40]

Originally Posted by Frost

Based on all the new BRZ reviews, next to none of the reviewers seem to be capable of truly doing track driving or drive at a high level.

This is a stark contrast to Toyota who had guys like Matt Farah, Jason Cammisa and such who can hoon a car properly around a track.

This makes me think the BRZ is just understeery at the limit compared to the GR86 which is more eager to have the backend step out on entry. This latter part is key for someone like me who will do autocross and time attack. The BRZ's tendency to bore me will ... well ... bore me. At least the GR86 means I'll have to dial back some of the oversteer with an alignment which is what I'm definitely doing as soon as I prep for any sort of competition.

GR86 is the real win for me for competition or serious lap times.

I think you're making a lot of assumptions based on people that don't drive well. I've seen plenty of people drive loose cars into massive understeer. Also, you seem to contradict yourself. You say the GR86 is better for competition because of the oversteer, but then say you need to get an alignment to dial out some of the oversteer?

[RZNT4R]

Originally Posted by Blighty

Just a little information on the sound enhancer.

According to the engineers, the sound frequencies generated by the engine are pumped into the cabin with specific ranges of those frequencies being amplified over others. I cant remember the range off hand, but there were two ranges in particular they enhanced.

So while this still might be unacceptable for people, and they might want to disconnect the speaker (as of course many will), the actual noise you hear isnt like say a computer game noise, or an electric car noise which is completely manufactured, this is still engine/intake noise from machinery operating in the car affected by every bump, your slip of the clutch, etc. etc.

Highly unlikely that it's the actual sound from the actual engine, the engine bay would need to have microphones.

What I would be more inclined to believe is that they used an anechoic dyno chamber and got samples from many loads and RPMs, created their desired sound profile from that and THAT is what is being generated inside the car.

Engineers like to say things. Remember how they said the supra team split off from the Z4 team after the foundations of the cars had been laid and hand't worked together beyond that? The actual car turned out to be a parts bin job where they didn't even bother changing the BMW door chime.

Anyway, it still sounds like junk and Gran Turismo Sport made a better job of generating a fake engine noise for the GT86 years ago.