Petition?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Archer256

I hope you realize that badging this a Scion instead of a Toyota was already a gamble for Toyota lol.

This car will be Scion's "flagship" car.

People aren't in the brand for 3 cars, Also, they start with a Scion move up to a Toyota and then/or a Lexus.

You seem to have misread or ignore the point. The U.S. does not = the world. This car could sell poorly here as a Scion, but then you need to look at global sales. If this does not perform well in the U.S. Toyota needs to look back and think. Is it because it is a Scion? Yes or no, if yes then should we badge this a Toyota? Lexus? Or scrap it? If no - then why not - performance? Features? Price? Obviously this car is good because the world is buying it but why is it not doing well in the U.S.

Scion failing isn't the best thing for Toyota, however Toyota will cut their losses if needed.

Scion's been failing for years. There is some management politics going on, I feel. They're not sticking to the game plan. Example is the xB. The new gen has 'grown up', with the appearance of it to be targeting previous gen xB owners. This was not what it was supposed to do. The move-up vehicle should be a Highlander or something Toyota.

Also I feel the FT86 was a bit of a prestige tug-of-war that the Scion execs out-stubborned the Toyota North America execs. According to the plan, the FT86 should most definitely be a Toyota. Get the kids into a sporty coupe with the tC, have them move up to Toyota for the FT86.

They kept saying Scion was never about sales volume (and were right if you see their figures) but about being a stepping stone for younger buyers to get into Toyota with. But if they are targeting repeats with the re-done xB that doesn't make sense. Neither does the FT86 as a Scion, because, honestly, after driving it what current Toyota would be interesting as a move-up car?

Doesn't make sense

And it seems Scion/Toyota NA is following what GM did with Saturn.

tC = Ion (to get on the tuner/sport compact bandwagon)
xB = Vue (funky/ugly value box for the masses, in theory)
FT86 = Sky (legitimate sports car because the FWD one gets no respect)

And that worked out real good for GM, didn't it?

The only sensible thing I've seen so far is the iQ.

The iQ is what could potentially be their brand-saver, not the FT86.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Macavely

Yea I was too.... I think I have said this before inter net talk doesn't really affect me -/+

I was about to scan yours but I left my phone in the bed room and don't feel like walking over there right now...what it linked to?

Yeah Dark got it. It was for subiefanatic.com. I wanted a QR code for my avatar and the closest thing that would fit within the pixel limit and be related to the FT-86/216a was the one I found. Just wanted a QR to be honest.

[Macavely]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Yeah Dark got it. It was for subiefanatic.com. I wanted a QR code for my avatar and the closest thing that would fit within the pixel limit and be related to the FT-86/216a was the one I found. Just wanted a QR to be honest.

Thats cool.. I just do it to promote my car clubs site... I notice since I started using it and other member it has helped with the unique visits to out site.. as with the siq ..

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Scion's been failing for years. There is some management politics going on, I feel. They're not sticking to the game plan. Example is the xB. The new gen has 'grown up', with the appearance of it to be targeting previous gen xB owners. This was not what it was supposed to do. The move-up vehicle should be a Highlander or something Toyota.

Also I feel the FT86 was a bit of a prestige tug-of-war that the Scion execs out-stubborned the Toyota North America execs. According to the plan, the FT86 should most definitely be a Toyota. Get the kids into a sporty coupe with the tC, have them move up to Toyota for the FT86.

They kept saying Scion was never about sales volume (and were right if you see their figures) but about being a stepping stone for younger buyers to get into Toyota with. But if they are targeting repeats with the re-done xB that doesn't make sense. Neither does the FT86 as a Scion, because, honestly, after driving it what current Toyota would be interesting as a move-up car?

Doesn't make sense

And it seems Scion/Toyota NA is following what GM did with Saturn.

tC = Ion (to get on the tuner/sport compact bandwagon)
xB = Vue (funky/ugly value box for the masses, in theory)
FT86 = Sky (legitimate sports car because the FWD one gets no respect)

And that worked out real good for GM, didn't it?

The only sensible thing I've seen so far is the iQ.

The iQ is what could potentially be their brand-saver, not the FT86.

that last post was more of a response to Giccin, but yes i agree with you. After the 86 people look for sporty cars will be forced to look at Lexus.

[Zorro]

petition... psshhh...



I say we start assasinating Scion excutives one by one until our demands are met!

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by Zorro

petition... psshhh...



I say we start assasinating Scion excutives one by one until our demands are met!

Prepare to meet the FBI at your door.

[SOB]

Originally Posted by Zorro

petition... psshhh...



I say we start assasinating Scion excutives one by one until our demands are met!

Count me out, rather not go to jail for something that is quite meaningless.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Archer256

that last post was more of a response to Giccin, but yes i agree with you. After the 86 people look for sporty cars will be forced to look at Lexus.

We were probably on the same page, but different interpretations and probably somewhere down the line had a misinterpretation that one of us meant something different.

Cheers.
:happy0180:

[DRACHENV6]

I hate scion, because it tries to market itself as something that it is not. The scion (tc) is reliable, but it is no sports car. It has a solid 2.4L engine that is ridiculously easy to maintain, and reliable. However,the engine cannot compete with the 1.8L xrs engine of the corolla or the 1.8 of a civic si without major $. It is a great everyday car, A-to-B, but to market a camry coupe as sporty is deceitful and insulting.

I believe that many scion drivers were duped by scion marketing that was geared towards a younger crowd, but this is probably what scion needs to redeem itself. Im a fan of pure-pricing, because haggling wears me out. If this car is well-built and well-priced, it will be my first scion.

[andygee]

we should be petitioning that the car comes out in december, instead of next spring lol

[Macavely]

Originally Posted by DRACHENV6

I hate scion, because it tries to market itself as something that it is not. The scion (tc) is reliable, but it is no sports car. It has a solid 2.4L engine that is ridiculously easy to maintain, and reliable. However,the engine cannot compete with the 1.8L xrs engine of the corolla or the 1.8 of a civic si without major $. It is a great everyday car, A-to-B, but to market a camry coupe as sporty is deceitful and insulting.

I believe that many scion drivers were duped by scion marketing that was geared towards a younger crowd, but this is probably what scion needs to redeem itself. Im a fan of pure-pricing, because haggling wears me out. If this car is well-built and well-priced, it will be my first scion.

I don't remember the tC being marketed at a sports car.... and it doesn't cost that much (well depends on your budget ) to get you tC to out perform those cars you mentioned.... Granted I ended up with a tC because Honda and VW had me on a waiting list and my uncle was able to get me a tC they day I went into the dealership..

I do think this car will be well built as for price lets hope its is under the 25k mark.. .

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by DRACHENV6

I hate scion, because it tries to market itself as something that it is not. The scion (tc) is reliable, but it is no sports car. It has a solid 2.4L engine that is ridiculously easy to maintain, and reliable. However,the engine cannot compete with the 1.8L xrs engine of the corolla or the 1.8 of a civic si without major $. It is a great everyday car, A-to-B, but to market a camry coupe as sporty is deceitful and insulting.

I believe that many scion drivers were duped by scion marketing that was geared towards a younger crowd, but this is probably what scion needs to redeem itself. Im a fan of pure-pricing, because haggling wears me out. If this car is well-built and well-priced, it will be my first scion.

lol you mixed up the displacements, XRS is 1.8, but tC is also 1.8, Si used to be 2.0, now it getting bumped up to 2.4

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

lol you mixed up the displacements, XRS is 1.8, but tC is also 1.8, Si used to be 2.0, now it getting bumped up to 2.4

I thought tC was 2.4L and now 2.5L...

[serialk11r]

Wait crap really? LOL woops [slaps self] sorry bout that, but the Honda is 2.0 => 2.4 this year.