TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by dave11

It sure looks a lot like the 370Z.

Yep, 4 wheels, 2 lights on each end, intakes in the front and exhaust in the back. identical.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

And 7400 rpm redline...
Feels like some marketing intern messed up when copy-and-pasting things between PowerPoint presentations?

Lol... at this point, even when the cars are fully released and specs are "confirmed", I still won't know what to believe

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dzmitry

Lol... at this point, even when the cars are fully released and specs are "confirmed", I still won't know what to believe

Make's it hard for me to rag on the clickbaits when Subaru/Toyota can't say the same thing twice in a row!

[Cephas]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Make's it hard for me to rag on the clickbaits when Subaru/Toyota can't say the same thing twice in a row!

I have faith that you'll somehow still find a way.

[twodollarcuts]

I feel like a lot of the 4's are a pride thing. I keep telling myself my BRZ looks better but when I initially see these new models I think that they are very nice. Would love the instrument cluster and I'd take a steaming pile of dog sh*t over my stock head unit so I'd definitely take that, too.

[Veloist]

I find the GR 86 better-looking than the GR Supra. Once your brain processes that the GR Supra’s headlights are oversized for the width of the front bumper, it just starts looking awkward especially when the nose comes in.

I’m not hating on the design but when I see the clean, simple front-end of the GR 86 right next to it, it’s not hard to realize how busy the GR Supra is and makes it easy to appreciate clean & simple designs.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Veloist

I find the GR 86 better-looking than the GR Supra.]

I don't think that's a controversial opinion.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Red-86

0-60/0-100 times are funny, they are all over the place. Some manufacturers underrate, some overrate, so it is difficult to compare official numbers. Only way to be sure is test the cars back to back on the same track, on the same day with the same driver and testing gear. Anything else is subject to too much variance and uncertainty.

Whilst it would be great to see a full 1 sec improvement in the 0-100 time, I’m also sceptical. That’s a significant reduction for a fairly modest power and torque bump, but maybe it’s possible. More importantly the added torque should make the car feel stronger in routine driving. The twins were never the car to get for rapid acceleration and drag races from red lights - so many quicker cars around for that.

Its the weight being so low still. I can totally believe those numbers.

The base GR86 actually has a greater power to weight than a base WRX here in Australia.

WRX 1447kg @ 197kw = 136.14 kw/t
GR86 1270kg @ 173kw = 136.22 kw/t

[nikitopo]

Power figures doesn't mean much alone, unless you are looking for top speed numbers. It is the power to weight ratio that matters most.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Power figures doesn't mean much alone, unless you are looking for top speed numbers. It is the power to weight ratio that matters most.

And manufacturer rated power figures mean even less. What it puts out at the crank can be radically different from what it puts to the ground.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Power figures doesn't mean much alone, unless you are looking for top speed numbers. It is the power to weight ratio that matters most.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And manufacturer rated power figures mean even less. What it puts out at the crank can be radically different from what it puts to the ground.

They are good indicators, nothing is perfect. I mean the WRX will probably lose more through the drivetrain than the GR86 owing to AWD (I assume this is still the case anyway), but I'd still expect it to be pretty close.

Yes power to weight is far better and more relevant than just power or torque to assess performance, but even inside this metric its not perfect.

As its based off a peak figure (even if its combined with a figure that isn't), it still suffers from the same bugbear as when we use ANY peak figure - it matters what the power was across the WHOLE rev range of your required application, not just the peak. No doubt the WRX would have a good chunk of near to full power for larger (if lower down) part of the revs when daily driving. On the track a little less advantageous.

But anyway, the FACT that we are thereabouts to the performance of a ~265hp WRX turbo with just a NA boxer 4 pot is freaking awesome in my books.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Red-86

0-60/0-100 times are funny, they are all over the place. Some manufacturers underrate, some overrate, so it is difficult to compare official numbers. Only way to be sure is test the cars back to back on the same track, on the same day with the same driver and testing gear. Anything else is subject to too much variance and uncertainty.

Whilst it would be great to see a full 1 sec improvement in the 0-100 time, I’m also sceptical. That’s a significant reduction for a fairly modest power and torque bump, but maybe it’s possible.

The improved tires (assuming they timed this on a car on the PS4s) would help too.
On the 0-60s, even magazines are wildly-inconsistent (some of them allow a few feet rollout before they start the clock, some of them will dump the clutch or abuse the car for the best possible time, etc)

[blackhawkdown]

Found the 2022 Toyota Supra Turbo


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[mn_ca]

This car looks so simple and elegant. It's gonna sell.