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Riftur · 04-15-2021, 11:05 AM

So I was planning on waiting for the rumored Turbo 86 but unfortunately, it was just a rumor. Most likely, since Covid hit and my finances also took a hit, I am looking for the best/cheapest way to get the car hp to 200whp without using an expensive forced induction kit. Is it even possible and if so, what needs to be upgraded to get there? Thanks

fminicooper · 04-15-2021, 11:14 AM

Decatt OEM header (you will spend $25 in new gasket)
OFT used ($350/$400)
E85 if available in your area.

NoHaveMSG · 04-15-2021, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fminicooper

Decatt OEM header (you will spend $25 in new gasket)
OFT used ($350/$400)
E85 if available in your area.

/endthread

Riftur · 04-15-2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fminicooper

Decatt OEM header (you will spend $25 in new gasket)
OFT used ($350/$400)
E85 if available in your area.

I have the OFT already and running on e85 adds (total guess, 15-20 HP) but there are not enough stations that sell e85 around me which is a problem. Would a flex fuel kit solve this issue so I do not have to plan everything around when I need to add fuel.

Riftur · 04-15-2021, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fminicooper

Decatt OEM header (you will spend $25 in new gasket)
OFT used ($350/$400)
E85 if available in your area.

Is this the header you recommended?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-GT86...0AAOSwJ8pbbM4b

WNDSRFR · 04-15-2021, 11:46 AM

Keep your eye out for a used Phantom ESC. Should get you up to about 200 WHP about the cheapest way you can go. And it can be installed/deinstalled pretty easily.

cmiovino · 04-15-2021, 11:49 AM

E85 is going to be the easiest way to get 200whp and safely. But if it's not available....

The alternative is a EL header like the Ace A350 (pricey), 93 octane:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121460

According to this thread, 91 octane is going to net you 195whp here, so 93 might get you the extra 5. Either way, it's at last in the ballpark and not going the e85 route.

Alternatively, you're looking at a flex fuel kit and running e85 when you can get it, which should put you over the 200whp barrier.

Riftur · 04-15-2021, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmiovino

E85 is going to be the easiest way to get 200whp and safely. But if it's not available....

The alternative is a EL header like the Ace A350 (pricey), 93 octane:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121460

According to this thread, 91 octane is going to net you 195whp here, so 93 might get you the extra 5. Either way, it's at last in the ballpark and not going the e85 route.

Alternatively, you're looking at a flex fuel kit and running e85 when you can get it, which should put you over the 200whp barrier.

Is there a flex fuel kit that you would suggest? I have a station 4 miles from my house that sells e85 but I hate having to plan around fueling up my car, especially if I am in a rush and need gas.

Riftur · 04-15-2021, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmiovino

E85 is going to be the easiest way to get 200whp and safely. But if it's not available....

The alternative is a EL header like the Ace A350 (pricey), 93 octane:
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121460

According to this thread, 91 octane is going to net you 195whp here, so 93 might get you the extra 5. Either way, it's at last in the ballpark and not going the e85 route.

Alternatively, you're looking at a flex fuel kit and running e85 when you can get it, which should put you over the 200whp barrier.

Just to verify, is this the one?

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144933

PulsarBeeerz · 04-15-2021, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fminicooper

Decatt OEM header (you will spend $25 in new gasket)
OFT used ($350/$400)
E85 if available in your area.

There's not a need to decat if running E85. You don't get anymore power or kill the tq dip. Just noise and smell.

tomm.brz · 04-15-2021, 02:20 PM

true, pretty easy to reach MBT while NA with pure e85 also with a cat
the gains would be marginal

NLSP · 04-15-2021, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riftur

Is this the header you recommended?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Toyota-GT86...0AAOSwJ8pbbM4b

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riftur

Just to verify, is this the one?

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144933

"decat OEM header" just means punching/chiseling the cat out of a stock header (cheap/free!), which you can do with a long screwdriver and a hammer. Just make sure to wear a breathing mask, those particles are toxic.

Riftur · 04-15-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NLSP

"decat OEM header" just means punching/chiseling the cat out of a stock header (cheap/free!), which you can do with a long screwdriver and a hammer. Just make sure to wear a breathing mask, those particles are toxic.

oh dam I had no idea, are you able to point me to a guide on how to do it?

Thanks!

NLSP · 04-15-2021, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Riftur

oh dam I had no idea, are you able to point me to a guide on how to do it?

Thanks!

I don't recall anybody on the forum posting any visuals/guides, but I found this YouTube video. Basically what he starts doing at the 4:00 mark:

04-15-2021, 11:05 AM	#1
Riftur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Florida Posts: 582 Thanks: 235 Thanked 176 Times in 111 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Add HP/torque 2013 FRS So I was planning on waiting for the rumored Turbo 86 but unfortunately, it was just a rumor. Most likely, since Covid hit and my finances also took a hit, I am looking for the best/cheapest way to get the car hp to 200whp without using an expensive forced induction kit. Is it even possible and if so, what needs to be upgraded to get there? Thanks

04-15-2021, 11:49 AM	#7
cmiovino Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Drives: 2017 BRZ PP, 2004 WRX Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 480 Thanks: 40 Thanked 355 Times in 218 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	E85 is going to be the easiest way to get 200whp and safely. But if it's not available.... The alternative is a EL header like the Ace A350 (pricey), 93 octane: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121460 According to this thread, 91 octane is going to net you 195whp here, so 93 might get you the extra 5. Either way, it's at last in the ballpark and not going the e85 route. Alternatively, you're looking at a flex fuel kit and running e85 when you can get it, which should put you over the 200whp barrier. __________________ 2017 BRZ Limited Performance Pack - Steel Cities Region SCCA / North Hills Sports Car Club

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