TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I suspect that Toyota marketing may be playing the age old bench racer game of using what numbers suit their case at that particular point in time. They have always pushed that the MT was someplace around 6.2 and ignored the 7.4 of the AT. Now all of a sudden the car is "faster" when it is 6.2 or does it go 5.2?

That makes some sense. Even with +23-27hp and no 2-3 shift required, a full second is a LOT. Maybe they "fixed" the lazy acceleration of the AT version...

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

GR Supra is beautiful. I bet they will rise in value once 2025 hits and Toyota stops making them again.

What is its claim to fame?

I'm with you, I also like the body - though I despise that there is no manual.

And in a future where no manuals exist (electric), does not having a manual hurt its resale for collectors?

[Tanstin]

Originally Posted by RetroRacer

Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.

I 100% Agree with you.

The GR86 is objectively a better car and people deserve to be hyped for it. On another note, even before the gr86 details were released, having a crusade against people speculating about whether it would be turboed, ev, etc was just tiring to see. Just because you say you're doing it to combat "misinformation" doesnt change the fact that almost all of your posts seem to be against this car.
Speculation is a part of car culture and is what generates excitement and interest. Not to say criticism isn't allowed, but when all your posts are negative, you have to ask yourself if you truly are unbiased. And if you don't enjoy the car...well maybe don't go on this ubforum dedicated to it

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[Spuds]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

LOL!! Define 'sleazy'? Let me count the ways...
...

Lol sorry didn't intend to make you write the book. I suppose if saving time is a priority then that could be annoying.

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Lol sorry didn't intend to make you write the book. I suppose if saving time is a priority then that could be annoying.

Dealer sleaze is a soapbox topic I can get worked up about! Venting about it can be cathartic.

Time is the most precious thing of all. It's the only thing you can never get more of. That makes it more important than money.

Time becomes even more important as you have less of it left.

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

GR Supra is beautiful. I bet they will rise in value once 2025 hits and Toyota stops making them again.


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The odds are SEVERELY against ANY mass produced car becoming a valuable collectors car and appreciating in value. When it does happen, it is almost always some VERY limited subset such as a unique and desirable option set, not a standard model.

Basically: cars are a TERRIBLE investment unless you have a ton of money to buy the truly rare ones.

I have owned and restored several classic cars - it is a passion/hobby and a lot of fun, but it is definitely cash flow negative.

[PulsarBeeerz]

They also are said to of made some suspension geometry changes. Lack of power wasn't the only reason it was slow off the line. All the factory anti-squat of the previous models makes getting off the line efficiently challenging. There's also the 30+lb/ft of TQ that keeps getting left out the conversation for some reason...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

They also are said to of made some suspension geometry changes. Lack of power wasn't the only reason it was slow off the line. All the factory anti-squat of the previous models makes getting off the line efficiently challenging. There's also the 30+lb/ft of TQ that keeps getting left out the conversation for some reason...

It isn't any suspension geometry change either... Like with the tires, for this car the effect is going to be minor. IMO a much bigger issue with it inherently having trouble getting off the line than tires or rear geometry is the 55F/45R weight distribution, but that's most likely unchanged.

Torque is fine as a means to make power. But yeah, there's more of it and there's no real dip any more. But again, not enough to account for a 1 second improvement in acceleration to 60. IMO it's gotta be either no 2-3 shift required, or it's the improvement of the AT model due to a much more performance-oriented automatic trans. Or it's not really 1-s quicker to 60... We shall see!

[weederr33]

I've decided I will purchase the new GR86 once it's released and I can see what kind of options and aftermarket parts come about.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I've decided I will purchase the new GR86 once it's released and I can see what kind of options and aftermarket parts come about.

I've decided to test drive it and compare against my FRS in person at least.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I've decided to test drive it and compare against my FRS in person at least.

Oh for sure I will test drive one when they come out. But I'll wait to purchase till there's a decent aftermarket.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Oh for sure I will test drive one when they come out. But I'll wait to purchase till there's a decent aftermarket.

Ah, didn't read that completely lol.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by RetroRacer

Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.

i must have missed it. where was the official dyno sheet posted? i saw the speculation based on a gauge cluster image, but i don't recall seeing that being verified anywhere

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Tires are not really holding this car back as far as 0-60 goes. And we already know what 215/40-18 Michelin PS4 tires do for BRZ acceleration vs. 215/45-17 Primacies:
2017 BRZ: 0-60 in 6.2 seconds and 1/4-mile in 14.8 at 95mph on Primacies.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
2018 BRZ tS: 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and 1/4-mile in 14.9 at 94mph on PS4s
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

And it ain't the tires... Agree that the +23hp isn't nearly enough to account for 1 second quicker to 60, so if it really *is* 1 second quicker it's gotta be one less shift.

Well, I know we are talking about 0-60 versus 0-62 in the above articles and below, but apparently the last gen did 0-60 mph in 6.2 seconds and 60-62 mph in 1.2 seconds for a total of 7.4 seconds. If the new 0-62 time is 6.3 seconds then the 0-60 time might be 5.1 seconds like Tcoat said, or not like Tcoat said.

Kinda odd the Ts had a lower time, right?

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/34997138.html