TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

So that is probably half of the improvement.

I don't think the 8th and 9th gen Si going from 2.0 to 2.4 did much different.

FA24 vs. FA20 is a very different scenario.
8th-gen Si made 197hp at 7800rpm, rev limiter at 8300 (I think?). 9th-gen Si made 201hp at 7000rpm, rev-limier at 7200 (I think?). So stock vs. stock not really a big improvement, only +2% *peak* power, lost ~1000rpm off the top, and less rpm headroom above power peak.

Meanwhile the FA24 makes 11% more peak power at the same 7000rpm and apparently revs at least as high (7500 or 7400, vs. 7400). And it has an average of +20% more torque throughout the rev range, and a max advantage more like +30% in the midrange where FA20 has the torque dip. And the car is essentially the same size and weight as 1st-gen. It should be noticeably quicker.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

A recent guy that I started to detest, Matt from carwow. He won't shut up about the GR Yaris and how amazing he thinks it is. He honestly called it more boy racer than a CTR because it has a basically invisible carbon Fibre roof. The thing is god damn ugly and the man's a bloody idiot, how is anything more boy racer than a CTR..

But I digress, opinions are just that, opinions.

Yup opinions. I wouldn't be caught dead driving the CTR. But I think the Yaris is badass (sign me up lol).

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

A recent guy that I started to detest, Matt from carwow. He won't shut up about the GR Yaris and how amazing he thinks it is. He honestly called it more boy racer than a CTR because it has a basically invisible carbon Fibre roof. The thing is god damn ugly and the man's a bloody idiot, how is anything more boy racer than a CTR..

Is GR Yaris now a boy racer car? Lol. Ok ... whatever.

[wbradley]

So analytical.

Car 1) has balls
2) doesn't have balls

My 2013 falls into the first category.

It's a nice car whether it's a 400Z competitor or an MX5 competitor.

(I don't like Mazda or Nissan)

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

FA24 vs. FA20 is a very different scenario.
8th-gen Si made 197hp at 7800rpm, rev limiter at 8300 (I think?). 9th-gen Si made 201hp at 7000rpm, rev-limier at 7200 (I think?). So stock vs. stock not really a big improvement, only +2% *peak* power, lost ~1000rpm off the top, and less rpm headroom above power peak.

Meanwhile the FA24 makes 11% more peak power at the same 7000rpm and apparently revs at least as high (7500 or 7400, vs. 7400). And it has an average of +20% more torque throughout the rev range, and a max advantage more like +30% in the midrange where FA20 has the torque dip. And the car is essentially the same size and weight as 1st-gen. It should be noticeably quicker.

I’m not too big on peak-power, bench racing when we are talking about fractions of a second when there is gearing, tires, redline, area-under-the-curve, etc. You made a great attempt. I’m sure the 0-60 time improved by over a second, but I don’t think these horsepower and torque gains are enough to do that on their own. My guess is that the PS4 tires are a big part of it.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m not too big on peak-power, bench racing when we are talking about fractions of a second when there is gearing, tires, redline, area-under-the-curve, etc. You made a great attempt. I’m sure the 0-60 time improved by over a second, but I don’t think these horsepower and torque gains are enough to do that on their own. My guess is that the PS4 tires are a big part of it.

Peak power is god damn stupid if you're not able to extract every single ounce of performance out of the car, which I doubt very many people here are able to.

[Lantanafrs2]

I'm thinking that Toyota may be able to tune a little more aggressively due to the amount of clean vehicles in the rest of their lineup.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Peak power is god damn stupid if you're not able to extract every single ounce of performance out of the car, which I doubt very many people here are able to.

I agree . I can say from experience that a bolstered torque curve really changes the car as a daily driver. I can drive below 5k rpm all day. My valve train sends me Christmas cards.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Peak power is god damn stupid if you're not able to extract every single ounce of performance out of the car, which I doubt very many people here are able to.

That, and there are ways to manipulate or get meaningless peak numbers like if a wastegate is setup for boost spike seen here in the torque curve:

[revaholic]

Originally Posted by BrahmaBull1990

I am really trying to like the styling, I am. But it feels like when the MR2 went from the MKII to the MKIII...albeit, not that drastic, but my sentiment is the same.

It's definitely a car with some good angles and not so good angles. I think it looks great from these angles from the height of a standing person

[BrahmaBull1990]

Originally Posted by revaholic

It's definitely a car with some good angles and not so good angles. I think it looks great from these angles from the height of a standing person

I am sure with some light styling mods it will look exceptional

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by revaholic

I do agree aphrodisiacs are sticky

Mars attacks had a better translator. Ack ack

[Sport-Tech]

Feels like it needs 1" larger wheels, they seem a touch small.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I've generally preferred to buy Subaru over Toyota, simply because the Subaru dealers in my area have been much more straightforward to deal with than the Toyota dealers (who seem like they just can't help themselves and have to play all the usual games that gives car salespeople such a scummy reputation...). That's why I bought a BRZ over an 86, after beating my head against the wall trying to buy a Hakone and couldn't find a Toyota dealer who wasn't dripping with sleaze...

If I buy a second-gen car, I was planning to go straight to Subaru. But to my own personal eyes, the GR86 front end looks better. A lot better. Enough so to possibly make it a deal-maker.

1. The side gills are less prominent/obnoxious on the 86. On the BRZ they're too big and look like asteroid impact craters.

2. The bottom edge is more cohesive on the 86, with the integrated body-colored front spoiler. In the BRZ, the split lines and body-color mixed with black lip look too busy, like it's trying to ape something it isn't.

3. The front license plate location on the 86 is so much better than the BRZ. Having to hang it off the front bumper on the BRZ just looks so wrong, so tacky, so afterthought. Yuck. I thought I could live with it until I saw how clean and normal the plate position on the 86 looks, placed where it should be, in the grille and not tacked onto the edge of the bumper.

4. I personally prefer smaller grille openings to the gaping maw gasping catfish look that seems to be a trendy but so wrong styling fad these days (I'm talking about you Lexus), which would give the nod to the BRZ. But the other design aspects of the 86 outweigh this, and once the front plate is on (required in my state), I think the Toyota would get my money this time.

Assuming I can find a Toyota salesperson within 100 miles that isn't completely full of sleaze.

Define sleezy. Just don't take any if their bullshit and tell them who's boss.