TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

I want to agree, but magazines were never able to get the TS off the line any quicker than the standard car, in fact car and driver managed quicker in the 2017 limited:

2018 TS:https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/
0-60: 6.3s
1/4: 14.9s 94mph

2017 limited:https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
0-60: 6.2s
1/4: 14.8s 95mph

The Ts has a massive air brake on the trunk...

[AnalogMan]

I've generally preferred to buy Subaru over Toyota, simply because the Subaru dealers in my area have been much more straightforward to deal with than the Toyota dealers (who seem like they just can't help themselves and have to play all the usual games that gives car salespeople such a scummy reputation...). That's why I bought a BRZ over an 86, after beating my head against the wall trying to buy a Hakone and couldn't find a Toyota dealer who wasn't dripping with sleaze...

If I buy a second-gen car, I was planning to go straight to Subaru. But to my own personal eyes, the GR86 front end looks better. A lot better. Enough so to possibly make it a deal-maker.

1. The side gills are less prominent/obnoxious on the 86. On the BRZ they're too big and look like asteroid impact craters.

2. The bottom edge is more cohesive on the 86, with the integrated body-colored front spoiler. In the BRZ, the split lines and body-color mixed with black lip look too busy, like it's trying to ape something it isn't.

3. The front license plate location on the 86 is so much better than the BRZ. Having to hang it off the front bumper on the BRZ just looks so wrong, so tacky, so afterthought. Yuck. I thought I could live with it until I saw how clean and normal the plate position on the 86 looks, placed where it should be, in the grille and not tacked onto the edge of the bumper.

4. I personally prefer smaller grille openings to the gaping maw gasping catfish look that seems to be a trendy but so wrong styling fad these days (I'm talking about you Lexus), which would give the nod to the BRZ. But the other design aspects of the 86 outweigh this, and once the front plate is on (required in my state), I think the Toyota would get my money this time.

Assuming I can find a Toyota salesperson within 100 miles that isn't completely full of sleaze.

[Lantanafrs2]

Nobody cares about the numbers until its time to argue over them

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by blackhawkdown

GR Supra is beautiful. I bet they will rise in value once 2025 hits and Toyota stops making them again.


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I wouldn't say beautiful, or any stretch of the word for that matter, but it definitely has a look.

I don't see value ever rising, I do however think it will hold some value, much like an S2000.

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

I've generally preferred to buy Subaru over Toyota, simply because the Subaru dealers in my area have been much more straightforward to deal with than the Toyota dealers (who seem like they just can't help themselves and have to play all the usual games that gives car salespeople such a scummy reputation...). That's why I bought a BRZ over an 86, after beating my head against the wall trying to buy a Hakone and couldn't find a Toyota dealer who wasn't dripping with sleaze...

If I buy a second-gen car, I was planning to go straight to Subaru. But to my own personal eyes, the GR86 front end looks better. A lot better. Enough so to possibly make it a deal-maker.

1. The side gills are less prominent/obnoxious on the 86. On the BRZ they're too big and look like asteroid impact craters.

2. The bottom edge is more cohesive on the 86, with the integrated body-colored front spoiler. In the BRZ, the split lines and body-color mixed with black lip look too busy, like it's trying to ape something it isn't.

3. The front license plate location on the 86 is so much better than the BRZ. Having to hang it off the front bumper on the BRZ just looks so wrong, so tacky, so afterthought. Yuck. I thought I could live with it until I saw how clean and normal the plate position on the 86 looks, placed where it should be, in the grille and not tacked onto the edge of the bumper.

4. I personally prefer smaller grille openings to the gaping maw gasping catfish look that seems to be a trendy but so wrong styling fad these days (I'm talking about you Lexus), which would give the nod to the BRZ. But the other design aspects of the 86 outweigh this, and once the front plate is on (required in my state), I think the Toyota would get my money this time.

Assuming I can find a Toyota salesperson within 100 miles that isn't completely full of sleaze.

I’m kinda in the same boat. I’d consider getting the BRZ and do a bumper swap.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Nobody cares about the numbers until its time to argue over them

That's all the numbers are for though, to boast and say one is better than the other because of .1 of a second.

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Nobody cares about the numbers until its time to argue over them

That’s exactly the point. Some people like to argue about the ‘numbers’, and seem to get some misplaced sense of self-worth over whether their car is ‘better’ (= faster) than someone else’s. It’s understandable for true track rats where winning or losing can come down to fractions of a second, but usually it’s like high school kids bragging in the cafeteria.

Others don’t waste time in their lives on that kind of nonsense, and just care if a car is fun to drive. For them.

[revaholic]

I do agree aphrodisiacs are sticky

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

That's all the numbers are for though, to boast and say one is better than the other because of .1 of a second.

Although I'm sure it will start a heated discussion, numbers I am curious about (although frankly won't matter once I test drive the car) are the gear ratios... still no published numbers that I have seen.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Although I'm sure it will start a heated discussion, numbers I am curious about (although frankly won't matter once I test drive the car) are the gear ratios... still no published numbers that I have seen.

Yes the chest beating knuckle draggers are going to be out in full force once all the numbers are out. It will be a reoccurring of events.

[BrahmaBull1990]

I am really trying to like the styling, I am. But it feels like when the MR2 went from the MKII to the MKIII...albeit, not that drastic, but my sentiment is the same.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

That's all the numbers are for though, to boast and say one is better than the other because of .1 of a second.

Ego. It does hurt at times though to hear every YouTube reviewer stress the slower than miata theme. Maybe those days are over for at least a year

[AnalogMan]

Originally Posted by nextcar

Although I'm sure it will start a heated discussion, numbers I am curious about (although frankly won't matter once I test drive the car) are the gear ratios... still no published numbers that I have seen.

I believe in ‘numbers’ to the extent they’re useful, objective data. Such as specifications for things like gear ratios, and the shapes of power and torque curves. A car with a 4.56 rear is going to drive very differently from one with a 2.93 (all else being equal), as would be the differences between two engines with peak torque at 3000 vs 7000 rpm. Such things are very real and meaningful, and best described with numerical data and specs.

The ‘numbers’ I think are silly are when people argue until they’re faces are beet red over the ‘differences’ between 0-60 times of 6.3 vs 6.4 seconds.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Ego. It does hurt at times though to hear every YouTube reviewer stress the slower than miata theme. Maybe those days are over for at least a year

I feel you, as car enthusiasts we care, we want to hear our car is king of the crop supercar killer, but the reality of things is they have a car to sell, and if it's not the one they are sitting in, it's surely the one sitting in their garage or wished to be.

A recent guy that I started to detest, Matt from carwow. He won't shut up about the GR Yaris and how amazing he thinks it is. He honestly called it more boy racer than a CTR because it has a basically invisible carbon Fibre roof. The thing is god damn ugly and the man's a bloody idiot, how is anything more boy racer than a CTR..

But I digress, opinions are just that, opinions.