Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[Opie]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I read the post you are referring to in bold as pointing out that some places don't have the resources to test as many people. But I agree delivery could be better self-moderated in some cases, such as the post you quoted.

Technically if you are suggesting that there is a group of people who are abusing their power to intentionally mislead people in a way which tangibly benefits themselves to the detriment of the people they supposedly serve, then you are saying there is a conspiracy. If you are presenting an idea which relates a set of observable facts to each other, then you are presenting a theory. If that is not the case, could you please clarify your position?

A conspiracy is the the act of conspiring together or an agreement among conspirators. I'm simply saying that greed exists in the U.S. and the fact of the matter is that facilities received extra funding for handling Covid cases of death compared to other cases of death through the CARES Act. There have been multiple cases of Covid being listed as a cause of death when the patient never had Covid.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/10/13/covi...hs-long-fight/

https://www.wcjb.com/2020/09/23/mans...alth-responds/

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/are...ed-as-covid-19

https://www.lexingtonchronicle.com/n...th-certificate

https://fox17.com/news/digging-out/t...ovid-pneumonia

and they say you should just play along if it happens, it's for the greater good they say...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...es/ar-BB14ZJGc

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Does this vaccine cover that or do we need yearly shot(s) now?

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If we don’t get to herd immunity then we could continue to see fast mutation rates because there are so many hosts out there. If that is the case then they are saying a new vaccine could be needed in 9-12 months from the initial dose. Maybe some people will end up skipping the first dose because it has already evolved. Some people will miss an opportunity to get the Moderna or Pfizer one and have to settle for a vaccine that is less effective because they also waited or couldn’t get it, but at least the high risk groups got the good vaccines. If we don’t get to herd immunity then we will have yearly vaccines for high risk groups and elective people indefinitely most likely. Without herd immunity, we will likely see seasonal spikes at least. We might see them anyways if this is like the flu, but there might be reasons to believe it is not like the flu, and it could be dealt with if we all got vaccinated.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Opie

Of all the states I've traveled to since this began (FL, GA, TX, NY, NJ, PA, NC, SC, OH, VA, WV, AL) Florida has one of the better mask compliance rates, SC the worst.

I will say that from my travels between FL, NC, AL, SC, NC, GA in the last year, FL was pretty high up in the mask compliance percentage, and SC was by far the worst.

Originally Posted by Opie

You want to not wear a mask, lick your hands, and catch this virus you are free to do so..

You always seem to forget that the mask wearing is to protect everyone else, more than you. As I've said before, would you want your surgeon performing open heart surgery not to wear a mask? It isn't for her protection....

[wbradley]

Irace if you have a minute watch the video on post#1181 you might find it useful.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Opie

A conspiracy is the the act of conspiring together or an agreement among conspirators. I'm simply saying that greed exists in the U.S. and the fact of the matter is that facilities received extra funding for handling Covid cases of death compared to other cases of death through the CARES Act. There have been multiple cases of Covid being listed as a cause of death when the patient never had Covid.

https://www.wbtv.com/2020/10/13/covi...hs-long-fight/

https://www.wcjb.com/2020/09/23/mans...alth-responds/

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/are...ed-as-covid-19

https://www.lexingtonchronicle.com/n...th-certificate

https://fox17.com/news/digging-out/t...ovid-pneumonia

and they say you should just play along if it happens, it's for the greater good they say...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...es/ar-BB14ZJGc

From the abc article:

Dr. Cara Christ, the head of the Arizona Department of Health Services told ABC 15 that the attending physician that witnesses a death is responsible for determining the cause of death. Not only do most doctors not have a financial incentive to determine causes of death, but there are multiple steps in the medical billing and coding process that are designed to prevent “upcoding” from happening.

Dr. Murtaza Akhter is a professor at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, and an Emergency Room physician, who has had to sign several death notes in his line of work. We asked him if upcoding deaths for COVID-19 could occur in Arizona.

“Neither me, nor any of my colleagues do any upcoding, much less for COVID. I’ve never seen it done, that doesn’t mean it’s not possible, but even the data nationally suggests that it’s not happening. Remember, there are liabilities for anybody who does that. The OIG watches this carefully, and in fact, give reimbursement to people who are whistleblowers.” Dr. Akhter told us that the liabilities for upcoding are both civil and criminal.

So the people who code the deaths have no personal stake in the matter. They get paid a salary, do their job, and go home. I don't see how individual greed would affect this.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Opie

LOL, you sure do read what you want and skip the rest. This is an off topic discussion, I do no have to agree with you and you do not have to agree with me. Why so angry?

I am not getting the vaccine currently until I have more information on it that satisfies me and until it is FDA approved. The full court press of peer pressure certainly won't change my mind. I never said that I would never get it.

Sweden is an example of a different approach regarding lockdowns, shut downs and mask mandates than the United States and had almost identical results of infection, and lower rates of death. Again you are nit-picking bits and pieces of the Covid puzzle and missing the big picture.

Considering we now have multiple strains of Covid, at least 4 at last count, one strain may already be at 100% exposure, there is no way to tell as like most virus they can change each time they encounter a host.

So on India you are saying that their numbers must obviously be false but there is no way the US numbers could be incorrect? And I'm the conspiracy theorist? If one could be incorrect, they both could be incorrect, its common sense. Hypocrite much?

If you've lost interest in this thread, and you are so busy at work saving Covid patients how/why do you post here 3.14x a day?

Not angry.

Fine.

I’m not nit-picking. I’m exposing the flaw in your assumptions that Sweden did less or was different. What did they do that was so different? Even if they did something that is different, what can work in one place perhaps wouldn’t work in another place, right?

Then we aren’t at 100% for all variants.

India historically has a poor system for counting deaths. Most deaths don’t go through a medical examiner, so cause of deaths aren’t known, but even in cities, many deaths aren’t even reported to the county. People just bury bodies. Research this fact if you don’t believe me. It isn’t a conspiracy theory. It is a fact. Saying the US is over-counting deaths to a degree that might actually matter is factually untrue and requires multiple levels of coverups that suggests a conspiracy theory. To believe such a thing is wacko. All the evidence suggests we are under-reporting deaths, not over-reporting deaths.

Referring to India in a 2014 article:

There are estimated to be around 56m deaths per year according to the World Health Organisation - and it's thought half are not registered - so there is a lot of missing information about what people die of.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-28228177

I have days off...people have asked me for my opinion or said they would like me to respond...people quote something I’ve said. I don’t follow this thread on a regular basis, but I will respond to the community and not ignore others.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I’m exposing the flaw in your assumptions that Sweden did less or was different.

Complete aside, but I wonder if the climate differences play into it at all? Sweden has a completely different Winter then most of the US obviously. If cold weather did play into reducing COVID, was that shown in countries like Sweden?

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

If we don’t get to herd immunity then we could continue to see fast mutation rates because there are so many hosts out there. If that is the case then they are saying a new vaccine could be needed in 9-12 months from the initial dose. Maybe some people will end up skipping the first dose because it has already evolved. Some people will miss an opportunity to get the Moderna or Pfizer one and have to settle for a vaccine that is less effective because they also waited or couldn’t get it, but at least the high risk groups got the good vaccines. If we don’t get to herd immunity then we will have yearly vaccines for high risk groups and elective people indefinitely most likely. Without herd immunity, we will likely see seasonal spikes at least. We might see them anyways if this is like the flu, but there might be reasons to believe it is not like the flu, and it could be dealt with if we all got vaccinated.

If we don't ALL do it then it won't work... sounds like some commie bullshit to me, LOL

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[wbradley]

I don't think the most populated areas of Sweden are that much colder than most of the northern states. Different air currents over Europe, higher latitudes are warmer. London UK is quite a bit milder than Toronto for example. Although if I wasn't in my mid 50's I wouldn't have seen many cold winters.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

If we don't ALL do it then it won't work... sounds like some commie bullshit to me, LOL

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So is driving on the right side of the road by that logic...

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Complete aside, but I wonder if the climate differences play into it at all? Sweden has a completely different Winter then most of the US obviously. If cold weather did play into reducing COVID, was that shown in countries like Sweden?

They all take vitamin D supplements?

[wbradley]

I think we need to ease tension here a bit.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

If we don't ALL do it then it won't work... sounds like some commie bullshit to me, LOL

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When you work your job flying planes, don't people all share the work of making sure the plane, the tarmacs, etc. are all in the right condition to support the lives of the people in the air/landing/taking off?

Is that commie bullshit?

Because even some small thing like not clearing up a tarmac after a bad storm could probably have a devastating consequence for at least one person.

Working together on stuff doesn't make people commies.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by spike021

When you work your job flying planes, don't people all share the work of making sure the plane, the tarmacs, etc. are all in the right condition to support the lives of the people in the air/landing/taking off?



Is that commie bullshit?



Because even some small thing like not clearing up a tarmac after a bad storm could probably have a devastating consequence for at least one person.



Working together on stuff doesn't make people commies.

The aviation industry is, one of, if not the most regulated industry in the world. It basically is communist, lol. Not saying it doesn't work.. (most of the time)..

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