New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Spuds]

I just hope the upcoming vehicles don't all suck.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I just hope the upcoming vehicles don't all suck.

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

If you watch some of the GM "Generation E/Zero" promos about their Ultium platform, they at least show the silhouette of what is a muscle/sports car as one of the options. I think there is some hope beyond Tesla's Roadster.

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[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If you watch some of the GM "Generation E/Zero" promos about their Ultium platform, they at least show the silhouette of what is a muscle/sports car as one of the options. I think there is some hope beyond Tesla's Roadster.

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Yeah that is entirely a CUV silhouette. It is cartoonishly tall.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

And then gas becomes hard to get, and shit breaks with no support, etc.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Yeah that is entirely a CUV silhouette. It is cartoonishly tall.

That's pretty much the height they drew all the silhouettes, don't think it was supposed to be accurate.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

And then gas becomes hard to get, and shit breaks with no support, etc.

You can still buy a new front bumper for a Chevy Bel Air.

There will probably be net zero biofuels. We have a long time. I’m almost 40, and I’ll likely be able to drive an ICE for the rest of my life, assuming a long life.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Spuds

If there were hydrogen stations around me as well as a few up and down the east coast, I would totally consider it.

They don't sell the Mirai in the east coast anyways.

Originally Posted by soundman98

and don't forget, a 10 year hard expiration date from the date of manufacture.

Are you referring to the tank? It's 15 years, not 10.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

They don't sell the Mirai in the east coast anyways.

Yes, that's likely because there are no hydrogen stations lol.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN29X2AY

GM aims to end sale of gasoline, diesel-powered cars, SUVs, light trucks by 2035

what the article fails to mention is that GM's primary reason for this is driven by their number 1 market: China.

China's vehicle market is going electric much faster than the rest of the world, and to not go EV is to lose out on the largest consumer market to other brands.

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Yeah that is entirely a CUV silhouette. It is cartoonishly tall.

Keep in mind they have to move the battery pack away from the road to avoid debris, speed bumps, or anything that could puncture it. While it does look a bit exaggerated for demonstration purposes, given that it is a universal platform to serve a great many vehicles, you probably won't see a more dedicated "sports car" EV platform varient for a long time.

Don't expect ZL1 or C8 ground clearance for a long time.



It will probaby be similar to the Mach-E, but a 2 door.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by mav1178

what the article fails to mention is that GM's primary reason for this is driven by their number 1 market: China.

China's vehicle market is going electric much faster than the rest of the world, and to not go EV is to lose out on the largest consumer market to other brands.

True, but that alone wouldn't stop them from making ICEs; they would still produce ICEs for other markets. They see the writing on the wall. California, China, UK and other parts of Europe, etc are all on board. That doesn't leave a whole lot of major markets left. Still, GM and other companies have subsidiaries in cheaper markets where an ICE could still be used like Malaysia or Thailand, but this sounds like a global decision. It could be profit driven like the article mentions, but I think it could also be entirely possible that GM wants to be apart of the solution to this global problem.

The other thing is that these companies need a new focus. The horsepower wars are getting so ridiculous that there needs to be a new focus to reign in the power, or rather, where do you go from a 700+hp sports coupe? There are engineering limits on cooling, reliability, fuel economy, weight, etc with ICEs. Going EV could reset and restart the bar. At one point in time, Japanese cars had a gentlemen's agreement on 280hp or something, and now, we may see an agreement to move past the latest horsepower wars and move onto something different.

https://www.wired.com/2015/05/porsch...orsepower-war/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Keep in mind they have to move the battery pack away from the road to avoid debris, speed bumps, or anything that could puncture it. While it does look a bit exaggerated for demonstration purposes, given that it is a universal platform to serve a great many vehicles, you probably won't see a more dedicated "sports car" EV platform varient for a long time.

Don't expect ZL1 or C8 ground clearance for a long time.

It will probably be similar to the Mach-E, but a 2 door.

The Ford Mach-E has a ground clearance of 5.7'', and the Mustang has a ground clearance of 5.3'', and the Tesla Model S has a ground clearance of 4.6'', so ground clearance isn't the issue.

It depends on the type and configuration of their battery packs. Some manufactures are using larger pouches, so their battery packs are taller, which can raise the seat height. Look at the Model 3 or Model S, and you can see that the vehicle doesn't need to look like a crossover because it has a battery pack, nor does the seating position need to be high in the air.

The Mach-E has a crossover look because that is what they wanted to make because crossovers sell the most.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

Keep in mind they have to move the battery pack away from the road to avoid debris, speed bumps, or anything that could puncture it.

are you implying that suspending a tank of a flammable liquid underneath a vehicle in a 1/8" thick plastic tub is less problematic to road hazards?