New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I like the Nio design language infinitely more than Tesla's, and they do seem to have thought through alternative battery charging/swapping scenarios a little further. In practice, as mentioned in the video, the battery swapping has to be expensive to maintain, and I would want to see the lease agreement around swapped batteries (to do the swap I believe you have to participate in their lease agreement which is about $150 US).

Have they started selling in the US, or announced when they will? Their nio.com website is relatively useless, containing mostly marketing blurbs and stock photos of beautiful people doing beautiful things.

There is a huge 27.5% tariff on imported cars from China, and these are models that are built there like the Buick Envision and Volvo S90, but are not even Chinese manufactures. I don't know if Nio has plans to sell cars here or invest in a factory, but they would likely need to do that to be competitive.

If Toyota is offering a $15k hydrogen gas card to gain early adopters then offering a battery swap option seems like an equally necessary investment to gain early adopters. In time, batteries will out number vehicles on the road. Tesla has already said that they plan to move much of their material harvesting to in-house battery recycling, but the industry is already buying used batteries for grid storage and home storage. Alternatively, gathering used batteries from old cars to wrecked cars can be done to use for swapping. People are already doing used battery swaps to upgrade their P75D to a P85D. Like selling a used iPhone back to Apple or a third party manufacture, maybe old cars might be sold back to battery reclaimers and vehicle refurbishers. Even if the range on the battery is only 70%, for many people, 175 miles from a once 250 mile battery is still plenty of range until their next swap. Obviously, 70% charge performance from something like a 500 mile battery (350 miles) is definitely enough. There could be a tier pricing system for the swap or a monthly prescription or whatever a company would need to do to incentivize buyers, while recuperating their initial expenses.

[Captain Snooze]

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[Irace86.2.0]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN29X2AY

GM aims to end sale of gasoline, diesel-powered cars, SUVs, light trucks by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

GM aims to end sale of gasoline, diesel-powered cars, SUVs, light trucks by 2035

Seems like a sound direction to move the company. Hopefully, they won't all be EVs but seems unlikely they'll back anything else.

Also hope GM continues to make "last hoorah" versions of their cars. For example, I'm convinced the upcoming limited Cadillac CT4/5 Blackwings (reservations start 2/1/2021) with manual transmissions will be the last opportunity to buy an ICE version of those type cars, and they will only sell 250 of each this year.

If ICE is going out, I want it to go out with a bang, not a whimper!

[Spuds]

I just hope the upcoming vehicles don't all suck.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I just hope the upcoming vehicles don't all suck.

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

If you watch some of the GM "Generation E/Zero" promos about their Ultium platform, they at least show the silhouette of what is a muscle/sports car as one of the options. I think there is some hope beyond Tesla's Roadster.

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[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

If you watch some of the GM "Generation E/Zero" promos about their Ultium platform, they at least show the silhouette of what is a muscle/sports car as one of the options. I think there is some hope beyond Tesla's Roadster.

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Yeah that is entirely a CUV silhouette. It is cartoonishly tall.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

From a performance perspective, these cars obviously are fast and have a low COG, but they come off as a one trick pony. I hope they can find a way to incorporate enthusiast cars into the lineup. Either that, or we will all regress to classics.

And then gas becomes hard to get, and shit breaks with no support, etc.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Yeah that is entirely a CUV silhouette. It is cartoonishly tall.

That's pretty much the height they drew all the silhouettes, don't think it was supposed to be accurate.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

And then gas becomes hard to get, and shit breaks with no support, etc.

You can still buy a new front bumper for a Chevy Bel Air.

There will probably be net zero biofuels. We have a long time. I’m almost 40, and I’ll likely be able to drive an ICE for the rest of my life, assuming a long life.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by Spuds

If there were hydrogen stations around me as well as a few up and down the east coast, I would totally consider it.

They don't sell the Mirai in the east coast anyways.

Originally Posted by soundman98

and don't forget, a 10 year hard expiration date from the date of manufacture.

Are you referring to the tank? It's 15 years, not 10.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

They don't sell the Mirai in the east coast anyways.

Yes, that's likely because there are no hydrogen stations lol.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKBN29X2AY

GM aims to end sale of gasoline, diesel-powered cars, SUVs, light trucks by 2035

what the article fails to mention is that GM's primary reason for this is driven by their number 1 market: China.

China's vehicle market is going electric much faster than the rest of the world, and to not go EV is to lose out on the largest consumer market to other brands.