All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Lelandjt]

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

[PulsarBeeerz]

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

Maybe they are trying to let Subaru have more of the market production share this time and let them debut first. Likely gauging interest as well for production schedules. They have plenty time as its a 2022 model anyway. Oh, but yeah same thing different bumpers but probably same wheels.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

Yes and no. 1st gen debut was only a few days apart. But with the Z4 and Zupra there was almost a 6 month time differences. Anyways, it isn't going to be too much longer. Tokyo auto salon is only like a month and a half away.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Opie

My wife's '18 Forester XT does that....not new technology

My wife's 17 Impreza and 18 Outback both do that. Just one more thing to break.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

Maybe they are trying to let Subaru have more of the market production share this time and let them debut first. Likely gauging interest as well for production schedules. They have plenty time as its a 2022 model anyway. Oh, but yeah same thing different bumpers but probably same wheels.

The split and production schedules were set a long time ago. They don't wait and see reactions and then set contracts for parts. They knew exactly how many they will make and sell before they ever released anything.
Other than a handful of "enthusiasts" and some YouTube stars nobody cares about either car anyway so Toyota is in no hurry to reveal it.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

The wheels have always been the same.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

the interior might be slightly different. mainlt due to probably a different head unit and enclosure. i dont see them using the subaru unit and just changing to software to toyota like they did with the Supra.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Other than a handful of "enthusiasts" and some YouTube stars nobody cares about either car anyway so Toyota is in no hurry to reveal it.

But this enthusiast has got a handful of cash just waiting to toss at a new car dealer!


Kind of agree that Toyota's in no rush possibly due to the recently arrived Zupra. Maybe they're figuring those that don't want to wait for the 86, will relinquish and get into the Zupra even though IMO, the 2 are not interchangeable.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by StE92ve

But this enthusiast has got a handful of cash just waiting to toss at a new car dealer!


Kind of agree that Toyota's in no rush possibly due to the recently arrived Zupra. Maybe they're figuring those that don't want to wait for the 86, will relinquish and get into the Zupra even though IMO, the 2 are not interchangeable.

Not enough of them and not enough cash. There is little money to be made off the enthusiasts on a low profit niche car (including the Supra). They just hope that we will all switch to a nice Camry or Corolla when we grow up.

[Sport-Tech]

Folks love to knock the Corolla, but it’s a car that Toyota has pushed forward significantly in the last decade or so. My father had a 2009 XRS (the “sporty” Corolla with firmer shocks, springs etc.), and it was a handling dog compared to even a 2020 non-sport edition I recently had as a rental, a car which felt far more upscale and (dare I say it) European in its blend of ride and handling characteristics.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Lelandjt

Is it weird that Toyota hasn't shown their version yet? It'll be the same except front bumper and wheels, right?

They're listening closely to all the shit talking people are doing on the Subaru version and perfecting theirs.

[Lantanafrs2]

Itll be here before you know it.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not enough of them and not enough cash. There is little money to be made off the enthusiasts on a low profit niche car (including the Supra). They just hope that we will all switch to a nice Camry or Corolla when we grow up.

Actually, I am sure that Toyota would love all its customers to buy USD 50k Supras instead of USD 20-30k Corollas or Camrys. The profit margin per car is probably better - maybe. But of course, they know their sports cars will never be large volume cars, so they are better off making $500 per Corolla if they can sell a million Corollas than making $2000 per Supra if they can only sell 10,000 Supras.

It’s the low volumes that make it hard for ‘affordable’ sports cars to be highly profitable. Individual margin per car is probably no worse, and often a lot better, than their mainstream models. Even at the top end of the market, the exotic sports car manufacturers like Porsche, Jaguar, Lamborghini, and now Ferrari, who have very healthy margins baked into every car, felt the need to diversify and start selling ‘super SUVs’ to help pad out their profit columns, simply because the volume is in SUVs rather than sports cars.

It’s sad, and it means sports cars are always an endangered species nowadays, especially from the mainstream brands whose real volume is SUVs, trucks, utes, vans etc. Even sedans and hatchbacks, staples of regular car design, are becoming increasingly niche products as SUVs and dual cab utes/trucks take over as the default car type. Nothing can stop them taking over our roads, it seems!

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Folks love to knock the Corolla

Yeah, not sure why. It’s reliable, economical and safe transportation for normal people who just need an affordable ‘car’ for transport and who don’t want to deal with the headaches enthusiasts into unusual, exotic or highly modified cars have to deal with. A Corolla is a car you can afford to own and run for decades with relatively low running costs and routine maintenance... IOW, a far smarter financial choice compared to the often unreliable and expensive enthusiast cars many of us choose to make our passion.