All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[Willpower]

But some people obviously like it fine and that’s cool haha. Like I said, hope it sells.

But to my eyes, damn.

Originally Posted by albert

One of those rare moments when the next car does look like a natural progress from the current one. I like it. 🙂

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Why didn'y they make the first ones turbo when the supra was still a picture on a drawing board then?
They are not "protecting the Supra" they are making the car they started out which was a low power NA not a turbo supercar.


How is beating the MX5 "clearly" a goal?


Who says they don't sell well? Are there piles around unsold? They sold all they made every year so they met plan. That is selling just fine. Let's not mix planned low volumes up with poor sales since they are two radically different things.

You’re right it’s actually quite the opposite. My local Toyota dealer will typically only have one or two new 86’s in stock at a time. My local Subie dealer usually has just a few BRZ’s also. Maybe that is up to each dealer. The twins have hopefully met sales expectations, and a redesigned 2nd gen means they feel it will continue to sell.


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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by JesseG

You’re right it’s actually quite the opposite. My local Toyota dealer will typically only have one or two new 86’s in stock at a time. My local Subie dealer usually has just a few BRZ’s also. Maybe that is up to each dealer. The twins have hopefully met sales expectations, and a redesigned 2nd gen means they feel it will continue to sell.


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LOL I highly doubt they would have moved forward if they thought it wouldn't sell. Doesn't mean it will of course but their studies certainly said it would.
The next trick will be finding enough 17 to 25 year olds that will buy it new.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by JesseG

I’ve always been a sucker for the analog speedometer that begins further to the right than most gauges. The needle I mean. I only ever look at the digital speed display in the tach though. I will miss that for sure. It just works and is easy to read. I think I will like a digital tach, especially in this configuration.


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I love the new digital tach in track mode. Its kinda has retro vibe just using a modern screen.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I think the front looks fine. Looking at the fender, door and skirt area is killing me though. It's like they took a smooth curvy design and decided it needed some jarring angles and lines that don't match up with anything else.

Maybe it will look better in person, with a more top-down perspective rather than low shots everyone seems to want to take. I am hoping it does, because I like how the specifications turned out.

Like, I would be ok with it if they could show me legit wind tunnel and cfd data proving they chose function over form, but the form is just a bit disjointed as it is now. Hell, I might be ok with it anyway if it is a blast to drive.

Ford Escape.

[Cephas]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Ford Escape.

[new2subaru]

The first time I saw a Supra it matte grey


The first time I saw a Supra in white


The first time I saw a Supra in black


I need to see this car live in a bunch of colours before passing judgement but, so far, I like what I see.

[Dake]

Originally Posted by StormFalcon

Just not sure if it's worth 30k when you can get a well sorted supercharged gen 1 twin for <25k now.

I'm not sure comparing a brand new car with full factory warranty to a used car with aftermarket FI is really apples to apples.

Originally Posted by ZDan

I've never had oil or coolant temp problems with my '17 at the track, even on 95F days when my '11 2.9 Cayman would have coolant temp creep up and I'd have to back off after a few laps. Coolant and oil temps in the BRZ always stabilized. I've never had to back off or come in due to climbing temps.

You've also not had the new engine in your car at the track.

Originally Posted by JesseG

I wondered if anyone else was bothered by the plate mounting spot, because I am also We are supposed to have front plates in Texas but it’s never enforced. I was so happy to see that holes weren’t drilled in the front bumper when I got my car. Adding a mounting spot for a plate is even worse than drilled holes.

It didn't used to be enforced because there were no fines attached. They changed the law, so now you can get fined $200 for it.

[Willpower]

Not a big Supra fan in any color. UNTIL I saw one in that recent, limited edition blue (not sure the name of the hue). Amazing the difference a color can make but in that blue, that sumbitch was badass and I’d drive it in a heartbeat. I ain’t gonna buy it because it costs more than my BRZ and my 2002, 26,000 original mile S2000 PUT TOGETHER, and it’s not twice the car of either damn one. But it’s tough in blue.

Originally Posted by new2subaru

The first time I saw a Supra it matte grey


The first time I saw a Supra in white


The first time I saw a Supra in black


I need to see this car live in a bunch of colours before passing judgement but, so far, I like what I see.

[gymratter]

Originally Posted by Willpower

Not a big Supra fan in any color. UNTIL I saw one in that recent, limited edition blue (not sure the name of the hue). Amazing the difference a color can make but in that blue, that sumbitch was badass and I’d drive it in a heartbeat. I ain’t gonna buy it because it costs more than my BRZ and my 2002, 26,000 original mile S2000 PUT TOGETHER. But it’s tough in blue.

Refraction blue

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...00-units.3360/

[Guff]

I just hope the damn bumpers stay on the car in this gen

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by gymratter

Refraction blue



https://www.supramkv.com/threads/202...00-units.3360/

If the GR86 gets this color it's gonna be hard for me to resist

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[ToySub1946]

Nice to now know that they've retained both under hood sounds at idle.


Engine sounds like a thrashing machine.


Crickets still loud and clear.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

I have no clue... well I can guess what's gonna happen, but it's not official from Toyota/Subaru.



Lack of passion doesn't mean, there isn't a greedy ppl who wants some honey out of this car. Sound mean to say it, but hearing some of the back end stuff makes me sad. This is what happens when passionate staffs get pushed & shoved around. Higher up greedy ppl put "Yes sir" staffs to work on it instead of passionate staffs. Giving some of the engineers who kept that passion for this gen gets some props, cuz they really did work hard to make pointless shit out of this car much as they can. Early last yr info I heard was totally nightmare... but they def turn things around.



86/BRZ have been pushed around by both parents. BRZ have always been unwanted from Subaru. While Toyota was advertising 86 like mad crazy... But you know one yr Subaru start pushing BRZ more and more, while Toyota kinda fade away? Yeah... wonder why coughnextgenteamdecidedcough

Hopefully next gen will see some stage... but only time will tell.

As always, I love to hear your inputs, and thank you for giving us a little insight. I know you can’t get more specific than what you tell us, but it is important to me and many on here.
We are all here because we are passionate about the FR-S, 86, and BRZ. I’m a lifelong Subaru nerd, I spent more time on NASIOC than I can count. When this platform was announced, it was literally a dream come true knowing both Subaru and Toyota would be working on it. And yeah, it’s lived up to my expectations. Could it have been a little faster? Of course. But I can feel the passion that went into this car every time I drive it. It’s unlike anything else in this price range. The car industry is tough, and I think I can safely guess Toyota and Subaru haven’t become rich from this car.
I will be supporting Subaru with my next purchase. Most likely a 2nd gen BRZ. I know this car wouldn’t exist without Toyota’s input, but I like the continued support that Subaru has given this platform. They build it and are way more invested (in my opinion). I think you touched on something very interesting. Toyota sort of led the charge for the initial FR-S/BRZ, but it feels like they almost immediately veered off the battlefield, and left Subaru to fight. I’m not happy with how Toyota will only partner with someone else to build a sports car. How can Mazda do it alone? Nissan? Ford? Chevrolet? Porsche? Dodge?!! Nissan should be planning on building electric CUV’s not the 400Z, and I fu**ing love it!! I don’t want to sound like I don’t think Toyota isn’t changing things, and focusing on fun to drive cars. But they sound like the ultimate rule by committee company. All Japanese companies have had to scale things back for a long time, and I totally get that.


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