All-New 2022 Subaru BRZ Makes Global Debut

[86MLR]

I like the interior, cup holders are fine because I drive with 2 hands on the steering wheel.

I dislike the exterior, alot.

That front guard and sill looks like some 16 yrar old put a wide body kit on it.

I would be kicking and scratching that sill everytime me or the Mrs got in or out.

Gen1 was clean with no boy racer crap, this thing looks like a Honda and a twin had sex and this came out, if I squint it's ok, with my glasses on it's a hard pass.

Bugger, I was looking forward to buying another new 86, a big part of car ownership for me is just looking at the car, that was why I sold my 2015 STI, it looked like a Kia that was released after I got my STI, this would remind me of a Honda full of fake vents and wings, I would hate looking at it.

Unless the Toyota doesn't have that fender and sill combo.

Disclaimer: I'm 55 and am way past slow cars getting body kits to look fast, the car might be tight and handles great, but the boy racer look has lost me, I reckon alot of the older gen wgo buy these new will be turned of by the exterior, especially that sill.

The King is dead, RIP Gen1

Meh

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by olsonpg

Who in their right mind would get the new brz over a 400z?

I'm really digging the Z proto. Unfortunately I think it's going to be awhile until we see the final product, pricing, spec etc.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by olsonpg

Who in their right mind would get the new brz over a 400z?

Someone who only has US$30K to spend instead of US$50K?

There will likely be a big price difference between these cars. Different segments. The 400Z is fighting the Supra and V8 pony cars now. The new twins are competing with the MX-5, Civic SI and Veloster N in the cheap fun segment.

[Cal3000]

I really don't think the engine will be that bad. Intake, exhaust, headers and an E85 tune will more than likely make you a healthy 250whp. You can only reach those numbers on Gen 1 with FI.

[Oxyg3n]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

I honestly think the facelift analog speedometer is useless. I never find myself looking for it, and just use the digital one.

Not only do I never find myself looking for it, I totally forgot it was there LOL.

Has anyone noticed the Brz is getting a part straight from Ferrari? I'm pretty sure that front lip came from the F12 Berlinetta parts bin!

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

I really don't think the engine will be that bad. Intake, exhaust, headers and an E85 tune will more than likely make you a healthy 250whp. You can only reach those numbers on Gen 1 with FI.

People will be lucky to see 230whp with this engine with these mods. Don't misunderstand- I think that the difference in the delivery of the power is far more important, and I'm willing to bet this engine has a great deal more power under the curve than previous gen at any RPM. It'll be great for sure

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...33#post3384933

All in all if you were going to go to the time and trouble to swap there are far better choices.

Why do you say that?

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by olsonpg

Who in their right mind would get the new brz over a 400z?

i dislike the styling of each enough that assuming that someone was gifting me the choice for free, it would come down to driving dynamics.

but i wouldn't put my money towards either.

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i dislike the styling of each enough that assuming that someone was gifting me the choice for free, it would come down to driving dynamics.

but i wouldn't put my money towards either.

Let's not forget that Toyota may save us! The GT86/FRS was the best looking in my opinion.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I covered my speedometer with a much more useful OFT screen.

I added gauges...

[Oxyg3n]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I added gauges...

How did you do that? Are cutting holes required?

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Oxyg3n

How did you do that? Are cutting holes required?

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Ortiz custom gauge pods. I could have done an equal job myself cutting holes, mounting PVC pipe and working some Bondo and paint and/or wrapping it.

The larger boost gauge is a vent gauge using aftermarket brackets.

[Incursus]

I totally just found this old account to chime in on the hype/disappointment and say I'll probably order the first one that comes to my store. I'd much rather have a wing vs that duckbill, but the exterior didn't bother me after 5pm.


Couple of things I'm waiting on: Please god let there be some crazy colors. World Rally is a nice go-to, but I'm hoping for yellow and even the orange from the Crosstrek.

How much will it cost? I can pretty much order a 2020 limited on the website for $32K and have the small stuff I want. (cargo mat, dim mirror, short throw). I'd hate to see this one jump much more past the $33-34K territory before I add in the junk.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS

20% increase in displacement, 11% increase in hp.. lame

and that front bumper looks like a$$

and the rear tail lights look like a 8G accord coupe

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Seriously? And they only added 25hp with a 20% increase in displacement?

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Torque went from 150tq, or 156tq for the refresh, to 186tq, which is an increase of 24% or 19%. Torque is a factor of displacement and compression, which is why the torque numbers look so good, but horsepower is a factor of torque delivery at a particular rpm, so if they lose some torque up high then the peak horsepower number will look less impressive. Why not evaluate the torque dip for a peak horsepower gain? I'm sure if someone superimposed the new graph on top of the old graph, there would be much more area under the curve. In fact, the peak torque gain is probably more than the 30tq difference there. Considering the 1st gen lost 15-20tq in the dip, this 2nd gen may gain 40+tq, if it has a smaller dip, which means horsepower gain down low may be significant. Again, the area under the curve and the shape of the curve is much better. Torque comes on sooner, is more steady and is greater across the entire rev range. I'm sure the highest horsepower gain is closer to 20% or greater, even if the gain of peak horsepower is only 11%.

I suppose the question is how fast does this more rev up and how will this motor respond to mods. I'm sure E85 will liven it up even more because of the higher compression, and I wouldn't be surprise if the motor has more potential. I'm sure Subaru is holding back a little for a gen2 refresh down the road. If the reciprocating masses are terribly heavier because of the larger bore then it show rev well because of the same stroke.

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