Agency Power Exhaust Thread PT II

[vividracing]

The dyno chart has been posted on the top of this thread. THAT is what our car has done.

Now we are not going to remove the clutch that is to much work. But!! We found a local FRS.

So tomorrow the plan is to run the local car on the dyno to get a base run. Car has 1500 or around there in miles.

We are going to run a base run. Then run each part on its own. Header, Cross over pipe, Catback, Pulley. Then all together. Minus the clutch. At the same time we are going to re run our car with everything stock but the clutch.

At that time we will have more info. Dyno charts, Photos and so on and will update this thread.


If there is questions on which combo you want to see please post it up here below and I will talk it over with the owner of the car and do my best to make it happen.



Now onto our dyno and car. Its a Mustang Dyno, Our car has 855 miles and some change. The difference between the base run and the run with the full system was the two parts that I had forgot about. Flywheel and Pulley.. My bad... People make mistakes and I reposted this thread to clear that up. We have been stuck in the 103* to 110* temp range for a bit now. Temps are going to have an effect. I will post those and the correction factors. Gotta love the Phx area. I think a few other mustang dynos have been right inline with our base run.

Now the time between our cars base, we had been developing and helping others with developing their parts. It just takes time. Its not like we can just order this stuff up it has to be made and there is a lead time with that. We had different flywheels. Different Pulleys and different versions of the Exhaust system even a few intakes systems. The intake is still being fine tuned and its 4th or 5th version. This stuff is made in house. The flywheel/clutch was from clutch masters and took some build time/ship time and so on.



Lots of things are going to play into readings. So sending these parts out to other places is going to be good but not the same as the same dyno. And that is why I want to have another local car run on our same dyno.

One of the better posts over the years is here:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/11468376-post12.html

This explains the number from Mustang to Dynojet.



I welcome other people dyno’ing this set up. But there is a lot of variables to also look at.

http://kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Commo...tVariables.pdf has info on this. Results are going to be slightly different. This goes for anyone’s parts and anyone’s car. Not just us.



I will also add. Outside of vivid, I have been in the Subaru world since 2004, The MR2 world since the mid 90’s and the AE86 world for just as long. I also have a host of other vehicles. I have personally had issues in the past with my own builds. I know all about the fears of blowing engines, Chasing power and parts not living up to their claims.

If I posted up right now about my Subaru a lot of you from NASIOC would know about my car and my two year build of headaches that led to me pulling my car from the shop and sending it else where. (NOT Vivid Racing) If you guys are in SoCal and go to the track my home track is Big Willow.


This is why I take this so personal. I have been at Vivid since April. We have had a full staff change over since the old days. Lets all just take a step back and understand I am doing the best I can at the speed I can do it. I also have to work with other people. We are a big place. I can’t just load the car up and run.

I put my personal promise out there to take care of all this. The mods as well as this sites owner have my personal cell phone to call me at anytime should they have a question.

Tomorrow we will have some hard numbers. I am also going to put our FRS back to stock minus the flywheel and clutch and run it so we can get an idea on what the flywheel/clutch has to add and what gain the pulley adds. No one here is trying to dodge anything. Just wanted to come back with hard facts.

[Tainen]

Good post. Thanks.

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by vividracing

The dyno chart has been posted on the top of this thread. THAT is what our car has done.

Now we are not going to remove the clutch that is to much work. But!! We found a local FRS.

So tomorrow the plan is to run the local car on the dyno to get a base run. Car has 1500 or around there in miles.

We are going to run a base run. Then run each part on its own. Header, Cross over pipe, Catback, Pulley. Then all together. Minus the clutch. At the same time we are going to re run our car with everything stock but the clutch.

At that time we will have more info. Dyno charts, Photos and so on and will update this thread.


If there is questions on which combo you want to see please post it up here below and I will talk it over with the owner of the car and do my best to make it happen.



Now onto our dyno and car. Its a Mustang Dyno, Our car has 855 miles and some change. The difference between the base run and the run with the full system was the two parts that I had forgot about. Flywheel and Pulley.. My bad... People make mistakes and I reposted this thread to clear that up. We have been stuck in the 103* to 110* temp range for a bit now. Temps are going to have an effect. I will post those and the correction factors. Gotta love the Phx area. I think a few other mustang dynos have been right inline with our base run.

Now the time between our cars base, we had been developing and helping others with developing their parts. It just takes time. Its not like we can just order this stuff up it has to be made and there is a lead time with that. We had different flywheels. Different Pulleys and different versions of the Exhaust system even a few intakes systems. The intake is still being fine tuned and its 4th or 5th version. This stuff is made in house. The flywheel/clutch was from clutch masters and took some build time/ship time and so on.



Lots of things are going to play into readings. So sending these parts out to other places is going to be good but not the same as the same dyno. And that is why I want to have another local car run on our same dyno.

One of the better posts over the years is here:

http://ls1tech.com/forums/11468376-post12.html

This explains the number from Mustang to Dynojet.



I welcome other people dyno’ing this set up. But there is a lot of variables to also look at.

http://kennebell.net/KBWebsite/Commo...tVariables.pdf has info on this. Results are going to be slightly different. This goes for anyone’s parts and anyone’s car. Not just us.



I will also add. Outside of vivid, I have been in the Subaru world since 2004, The MR2 world since the mid 90’s and the AE86 world for just as long. I also have a host of other vehicles. I have personally had issues in the past with my own builds. I know all about the fears of blowing engines, Chasing power and parts not living up to their claims.

If I posted up right now about my Subaru a lot of you from NASIOC would know about my car and my two year build of headaches that led to me pulling my car from the shop and sending it else where. (NOT Vivid Racing) If you guys are in SoCal and go to the track my home track is Big Willow.


This is why I take this so personal. I have been at Vivid since April. We have had a full staff change over since the old days. Lets all just take a step back and understand I am doing the best I can at the speed I can do it. I also have to work with other people. We are a big place. I can’t just load the car up and run.

I put my personal promise out there to take care of all this. The mods as well as this sites owner have my personal cell phone to call me at anytime should they have a question.

Tomorrow we will have some hard numbers. I am also going to put our FRS back to stock minus the flywheel and clutch and run it so we can get an idea on what the flywheel/clutch has to add and what gain the pulley adds. No one here is trying to dodge anything. Just wanted to come back with hard facts.

This is why I do not judge before the facts are stated. That post was very well written, and I know I speak for a lot of people when I say that I can't wait to see the results.

[Dave-ROR]

Thanks for the post and looking forward to the results. I agree that different dynos will definately read differently, however, it should show a fairly similar gain.

[civicdrivr]

In for updates.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by civicdrivr

In for updates.

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Lots of things are going to play into readings. So sending these parts out to other places is going to be good but not the same as the same dyno. And that is why I want to have another local car run on our same dyno.

Covering your rear for the future is what that sounds like to me. I was really interested in you guys before. But now not so much, lurking thread.

[boredom.is.me]

Now we're talking.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Thanks for the post and looking forward to the results. I agree that different dynos will definately read differently, however, it should show a fairly similar gain.

Yes I agree. I am looking forward to tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Covering your rear for the future is what that sounds like to me. I was really interested in you guys before. But now not so much, lurking thread.

Its clear to me you just lurk and do not read. If you did. You would see and read the links I posted. And understand how dynos work and how many factors can change things. This goes for everyone at every shop. Not just us.

[Calum]

Whats funny is that if the advertised gains per part were reversed, they would seem a lot less suspect. Others have already posted gains in the realm of 27 hp from an exhaust and header. And if that's true, the remaining 14 hp from the flywheel and pulley also come inline, though still more then I was expecting from a flywheel and pulley.

Mike how many times have you posted parts on here and been torn apart like this. If your claims are true, I still wouldn't buy on the basis of professionalism and transparency. If you can't label your dyno runs correctly, how am I as a customer, going to trust you to label the shipping documents correctly?

BTW, I've never heard of agency power or vivid racing before this forum.

[ttknf]

Still no answer on who is doing the R&D for you guys? How did you go through all the different exhaust designs you're claiming. Who made all those designs? Who tested them? How did you come to this one being the best? I'm still suspect just based on what I've seen with AP parts for other cars and how it just looks like the AP logo is being slapped on generic stuff from China.

I understand that you're new at Vivid, but if you're going to be the one representing them and the AP parts, then you need to be responsible for knowing this kind of stuff and being forthright with the community.

[Metabrz]

No doubt a number of lessons have been learned by our friends at Vivid over this little debacle.

Best to slow down, work out a plan, double check the plan, test, test, test again and before publishing, check at what your about to publish matches the plan.

People here have been pretty savage IMO but at the same time, Vivid has exposed itself to criticism by not approching the whole process from a managed perspective.

The internet is a tough place to hang. I for one look forward to seeing the results.

[Metabrz]

Originally Posted by ttknf

Still no answer on who is doing the R&D for you guys? How did you go through all the different exhaust designs you're claiming. Who made all those designs? Who tested them? How did you come to this one being the best? I'm still suspect just based on what I've seen with AP parts for other cars and how it just looks like the AP logo is being slapped on generic stuff from China.

I understand that you're new at Vivid, but if you're going to be the one representing them and the AP parts, then you need to be responsible for knowing this kind of stuff and being forthright with the community.

He does say its all made 'in house'.

Realistically, is ANY shop getting any R&D or testing done 'out house' for an exhaust? I doubt anyone.

Thats a pretty big claim your making re made in ROC. Got any evidence or just being stirring the pot? Responsibility is a two way street.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by ttknf

Still no answer on who is doing the R&D for you guys? How did you go through all the different exhaust designs you're claiming. Who made all those designs? Who tested them? How did you come to this one being the best? I'm still suspect just based on what I've seen with AP parts for other cars and how it just looks like the AP logo is being slapped on generic stuff from China.

I understand that you're new at Vivid, but if you're going to be the one representing them and the AP parts, then you need to be responsible for knowing this kind of stuff and being forthright with the community.

Another one that posts without reading. Its been addressed. Hell I even posted a photo. The FRS stuff is all done in house. Even a few forum members have stopped by to see all the elfs working.


From my cell phone in case you missed it.