(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Even the WRX comes with a CVT as the automatic option.

Any idea what percentage of WRX buyers opt for the AT CVT?

[dragoontwo]

Subaru claims that they eyesight only works with the CVT. If they put eyesight in the auto BRZ, a CVT is highly likely.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

My experiences with CVT is the previous gen Corolla (2014 model rental i drove for about a month) and a 2015 Honda Fit.

They were fine, they werent amazing, but they were fine. I think the Corolla had fake 'shifts' which felt a little wierd because the car didnt react at all to those fake shifts and it didnt simulate a real shift all that well.
The Honda was typical CVT, no shifts, stays at redline as you accelerate, makes the CVT drone that you cant get away from (i think its more just high RPM constant buzzing than drone)

I didnt mind them honestly, but they were pretty lifeless.

This is my point. Everybody refers to CVT as if they were all the same. They are not.

Originally Posted by Spuds

I REALLY hate the fake shift points/fixed ratios manufacturers put into CVTs. If you are going to have a CVT in your car, just make it act like a CVT and deal with it. Use the benefits and don't be ashamed it's a CVT. Have a sport mode that just keeps the engine at best power all the time, and an eco mode that keeps it at most efficient all the time.

They did a nice job of it in the Impreza. They will need to appease us old folks that freak out when a tranny doesn't "shift" for a bit longer. The electric car users won't be freaked out by no shifts so that may happen soon.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by dragoontwo

Subaru claims that they eyesight only works with the CVT. If they put eyesight in the auto BRZ, a CVT is highly likely.

That's because the only cars with eyesight (up to this point) have had CVTs as the automatic transmission option. Eyesight doesn't have any technical dependency on a CVT.

I will be shocked if they put a CVT in the BRZ. Subaru's CVTs are all designed for their symmetric AWD system. The front and center differentials are contained within the transmission housing. There's no way they'd package that in a small RWD coupe. And there is no way they are developing a new CVT transmission for this low volume niche car; there are viable torque converter transmissions already available for RWD platforms.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

That's because the only cars with eyesight (up to this point) have had CVTs as the automatic transmission option. Eyesight doesn't have any technical dependency on a CVT.

I will be shocked if they put a CVT in the BRZ. Subaru's CVTs are all designed for their symmetric AWD system. The front and center differentials are contained within the transmission housing. There's no way they'd package that in a small RWD coupe. And there is no way they are developing a new CVT transmission for this low volume niche car; there are viable torque converter transmissions already available for RWD platforms.

This ^
But if they DID use one it isn't likely the crap people associate with CVT

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

That's because the only cars with eyesight (up to this point) have had CVTs as the automatic transmission option. Eyesight doesn't have any technical dependency on a CVT.

I will be shocked if they put a CVT in the BRZ. Subaru's CVTs are all designed for their symmetric AWD system. The front and center differentials are contained within the transmission housing. There's no way they'd package that in a small RWD coupe. And there is no way they are developing a new CVT transmission for this low volume niche car; there are viable torque converter transmissions already available for RWD platforms.

Didn't think about it that way... You have a really good point.

[ZDan]

If a low-loss CVT could be developed to allow me to stay at peak-power rpm from every corner exit to every subsequent braking zone, with added benefit of no time lost to upshifts, I'm all for it. Even if it sounds craptastic!

[ThaBigUnit]

Tomorrow can't come soon enough.

Sincerely,
The Creator of this epic thread

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ThaBigUnit

Tomorrow can't come soon enough.

Sincerely,
The Creator of this epic thread

Sent from my IN2015 using Tapatalk

And the only thing you will have right was the 2.4 which was already a common statement for a year before you posted.
Oh and the "looks awesome" which of course is totally subjective and not supportable.
The rest will prove to be the bull we called it right from the start.

[ThaBigUnit]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And the only thing you will have right was the 2.4 which was already a common statement for a year before you posted.
Oh and the "looks awesome" which of course is totally subjective and not supportable.
The rest will prove to be the bull we called it right from the start.

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[HKz]

don't think OP has had many real accomplishments in life..let's give him this one for sheer dumb luck by outlasting the hundreds of theorycrafting/next gen/turbo coming threads that have come and gone on this site alone. grats OP, what an "epic" thread!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by HKz

don't think OP has had many real accomplishments in life..let's give him this one for sheer dumb luck by outlasting the hundreds of theorycrafting/next gen/turbo coming threads that have come on gone and this site alone. grats OP, what an "epic" thread!

[C4RBON]

To be honest I'm surprised we are getting a 2nd gen at all. Happy, but surprised. I just hope it is exciting enough for new buyers to want a 2nd gen instead of a used 1st gen, and doesn't stray far from the path laid out by the 1st gen. The 1st gen was/is a fantastic platform for enthusiasts: relatively inexpensive, low consumable costs, fantastic handling out of the box, exceptional ergonomics (driving position, controls, seats, visibility, etc), reliable and easy to work on, practical storage for its size.

After owning the 1st gen for 6 years and having done 100+ autox events, if it is basically the same but with "slightly more", I'm not sure I'd get one. The 400Z or manual Supra might be more what I'm looking for. I'm still satisfied with my BRZ as my fun car and GTI as highway/practical car; it would take something surprising to convince me to get a new one.

Even after tomorrow, I think there will be many un-answered questions.
- What does the Toyota version look like and what are the differences?
- What markets will the different models/trims be sold in?
- Will there be high performance trims in the future (STi/GR etc). If not announced tomorrow, will there be a future Performance Pack trim?
- How does it actually compare to the 1st gen in terms of driving feel, feedback, visibility, ergonomics, etc.

[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

To be honest I'm surprised we are getting a 2nd gen at all. Happy, but surprised. I just hope it is exciting enough for new buyers to want a 2nd gen instead of a used 1st gen, and doesn't stray far from the path laid out by the 1st gen. The 1st gen was/is a fantastic platform for enthusiasts: relatively inexpensive, low consumable costs, fantastic handling out of the box, exceptional ergonomics (driving position, controls, seats, visibility, etc), reliable and easy to work on, practical storage for its size.

After owning the 1st gen for 6 years and having done 100+ autox events, if it is basically the same but with "slightly more", I'm not sure I'd get one. The 400Z or manual Supra might be more what I'm looking for. I'm still satisfied with my BRZ as my fun car and GTI as highway/practical car; it would take something surprising to convince me to get a new one.

Even after tomorrow, I think there will be many un-answered questions.
- What does the Toyota version look like and what are the differences?
- What markets will the different models/trims be sold in?
- Will there be high performance trims in the future (STi/GR etc). If not announced tomorrow, will there be a future Performance Pack trim?
- How does it actually compare to the 1st gen in terms of driving feel, feedback, visibility, ergonomics, etc.

Eh... we just need to slow down. One step at a time. Of course questions won't be answered. Tomorrow will still be a big reveal. I think people have just anticipated and questioned so much in the past couple years about this next gen, that they're bored of what they are about to find out and already want to know what the end story of the 2nd gen will be. I like surprises.